Re: Is this legal?
From: Barbara (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:23:39 -0600 (CST)
OK Ladies lets end this.
#1
The person that posted the statement to the Physicians List is Not a
physician. CM stands for Certified Midwife
#2
IMHO it is not our place to copy other peoples posts from other lists
and bring them to Another forum to question.
#3
I understand you (the original poster) did not use any one's name but;
after everyone evidently ran over to the list to read about it someone
DID use the posters name.
#4
Is there no such thing as Decency for the privacy of other people left
anywhere?
#5
I have been thinking Long and Hard of late about making this a Truly
Monitored Forum. I go back and forth on this thought because it would
of course take a lot of work and at the same time would remove the
ability to post and receive a reply almost instantly. But with the
threads of late I do have to wonder if we have lost all sense of what
this Women's Health Forum at OBGYN.net is all about.
It's Not a place to lash out at Anyone! That means the medical
profession as well as each other. So you don't like tubals,
hysterectomies, the sex of your physician, me.......well the list goes
on and on. Of late some of the posters are against Everything! Someones
out to get you no matter what anyone says. I for one am sick of it!
This is a safe place for women to ask questions about medical
conditions, treatments and outcomes. It is Not a place to email back
and forth with a personal agenda. There a a lot of Lists out there for
folks that want to chat back and forth, flame, or whatever it is that
people do with their spare time so I suggest those that have this need
should go to those lists and join with others that agree with their way
of thinking.
This is Not the place for that kind of posting. Medical Professionals
and women around the world receive this forum in digest form and I for
one don't like my email box filled up with this kind of posting.
#6
Those of us that want to keep this forum the way it was intended to be
do not want to be punished for the inconsiderate few who continue to dig
up old posts and rehash thoughts from months ago or start new threads
just to get everyone worked up and then leave.
I would greatly appreciate it if we could go back to what we are
supposed to be. If anyone doesn't understand what that is please read
the Instructions.
Barbara
At Wed, 31 Mar 1999, hanna wrote:
>
>Susan,
>
>I'm not sure if this type of practice is legal but it is most certainly
>lying to a patient who is paying big bucks for the pack of lies. I most
>certainly would not trust a Doctor that has lied to me and I can say
>this as fact, I was deceived to in the same manner.
>
>Please, don't get me wrong, I would still have done a TOL even knowing
>that I had a small pelvis with converging sidewalls but I don't think I
>would have let the Doctors (not the same one who diagnosed me) let me
>labor like I did. I was at 9cm for 10 hours with a temp. ranging from
>101 to 102.5 with meds. during this time. The baby was also in trouble
>twice and needed to get him out with forceps the second time. I gave
>birth by VBAC and now have a prolapsed uterus and cystocele witch will
>mean more complicated surgery to repair than a c/s would have been.
>This to me is not a successful VBAC! I would like to ask Magie Dacko, CM
>if any of these patients that she lied to ended up with prolapsed pelvic
>organs! Unfortunately you found this at a forum that the patients point
>of view is NOT welcome. I do wish that doctors like Dacko had respect
>for their patients! I now have a doctor who is very open with me and
>willing to listen to my concerns and wishes even IF I should decide on a
>repeat c/s (lucky me!!! ;-))
>
>--
>Hanna
>
>At Wed, 31 Mar 1999, susan wrote:
>>
>>Just wondered, is this legal to do? Can doctors utilize a mind over
>>matter approach? I thought that patients were to be informed of all
>>conditions??
>>
>>--
>>Susan
>>
>>Direct quote from ob_gyn_l:
>>
>>"In 20 years I have NEVER told a woman her pelvis was too small, no
>>matter
>>how small it seemed.......and in twenty years my c/s rate has remained
>>approx. 2% (out of over 1400 deliveries), and my VBAC success rate is
>>100%.
>>
>>In no uncertain terms I tell all my patients that they have huge, roomy,
>>pelvises and that a baby of any size would fit easily. I tell them that
>>women without underlying medical conditions such as diabetes, grow
>>babies
>>that are just the right size for their bodies to deliver. I reaffirm
>>with
>>them at every appointment that birth is a normal function of the human
>>female body and that she is the finished product of thousands of years
>>of
>>women having babies successfully. I make comments all the time about how
>>well the baby's head fits so comfortably in her pelvis. I remind them
>>that
>>the reason they are waddling around is because their pelvis is getting
>>looser and wider and softer for that baby to come through.
>>
>>On the wall in my prenatal rooms I have a dilation chart and I point out
>>the 10cm circle on occasion to remind them just how open they are going
>>to
>>get during labor.
>>
>>The mind/body connection is very strong, and I find women believe and
>>take
>>very seriously what they have been told about their bodies.......this is
>>the basis of most eating disorders. "
>>
>>Maybe all this seems silly to many of you, but it seems to work, and it
>>costs nothing, damages no one and makes women feel good about
>>themselves.
>>What is there to lose?
>>
>>--
>>Susan C
>>
--
Barbara Nesbitt
Editor, OBGYN.net
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