Re: Birthweight Prediction in Obese Gravidas

From: James Smeltzer (James.Smeltzer@wellstar.org)
Wed Jul 16 12:01:38 2008


This gives an idea of what is possible. It is true that this sample has a high ascertainment bias:

CONCLUSIONS: In experienced hands, sonography has 97% sensitivity in detecting anomalous fetuses when compared with perinatal autopsy results. Although the sensitivity of sonography in detecting major fetal abnormalities is 75%, the sensitivity for minor abnormalities is poor, even when using a complete anatomic sonographic survey. Although it has limitations, this type of survey is invaluable for both patients and physicians in diagnosing fetal abnormalities.

Value of a complete sonographic survey in detecting fetal abnormalities: correlation with perinatal autopsy.

Yeo L, Guzman ER, Shen-Schwarz S, Walters C, Vintzileos AM.

J Ultrasound Med. 2002 May;21(5):501-10.

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>>> "DuBose, Terry" <DuboseTerryJ@uams.edu> 7/14/2008 1:13 PM >>> "> Terry - this looks like a good research project for one of your students."

Excellent suggestion... I will add it to the possible topics for papers in the Current Issues in Sonography course.

Thanks,

Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS, FSDMS, FAIUM

Associate Professor & Director

Diagnostic Medical Sonography Program

University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, CHRP

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-----Original Message----- From: ultrasound@obgyn.net [mailto:ultrasound@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of jworrall@alaska.net Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND Subject: Re: Birthweight Prediction in Obese Gravidas

And there certainly is no shortage of obese pregnant patients these days. I

am finding obesity is becoming a major factor in reducing the accuracy of

prenatal ultrasound and nuchal translucency measurement. Maybe, as the

Philips ultrasound ads say, the answer is in better transducer crystals and

better ultrasound machines.

A serious study needs to be done, entitled "The impact of obesity on the

practice of prenatal ultrasound". Or a metaanalysis of the studies already

done: "Does obesity really impact the practice of prenatal ultrasound?"

Also, does obesity play a role in the medical liability cases brought

against sonographers and sonologists for alleged misdiagnosis or failure to

diagnose in prenatal cases? Do we assume greater medical liability risk when

we scan a very obese patient?

And what is the impact of obesity on the incidence of injury to the

sonographer? I have already told my referring physicians that I will not do

second trimester or third trimester triplets - I am old and it just is

physically too demanding. There are other places they can be scanned in our

community. I wish I could pass a similar rule about not accepting patients

above a certain BMI, but I do not think that would fly. But I find that

trying to scan under a heavy pannus while holding up the pannus with my

scanning hand and arm, is physically very difficult, and I actually have to

stop the scan and rest my right arm every few minutes. I have one husband

who was willing to hold up the pannus for me, difficult with all the gel on

the abdomen.

Here is how I try to deal with the problem: My ultrasound report routinely

records the patient's weight, height, and BMI. I make a statement as to my

evaluation of the quality of the imaging, ranging from "superb!" to "very

poor". I may qualify this by saying that the imaging was good except for the

fetal heart or the fetal brain or whatever part did not image well. Or I

might say the imaging was poor except for the parts that did scan well. In

doing the fetal biometry, if I have low confidence in a measurement (the AC

when there is no fluid around the fetal abdomen, and you are pretty much

guessing where to place the cursors) I will say that in my report. In other

words, I try to give the person reading the report an idea of how much

confidence to have in the report.

In a lighter vein, I think we should charge for prenatal ultrasound by the

pound, with the understanding that there are patients who scan so well, and

it is such a pleasure scanning them , that we pay them for the privilege of

scanning them.

And we should have a rule that at major ultrasound conventions, the models

that the manufacturers hire to demonstrate their machines must have a BMI of

40 or more. Then we could really tell what their machines could do.

Allen

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From: "art fougner, md" <evsono@pipeline.com> --------------------------------------------------

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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:28 AM

To: "Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND" <ultrasound@mail.obgyn.net>

Subject: Birthweight Prediction in Obese Gravidas

> Birth weight projection based on ultrasound measurements earlier in

> pregnancy may be better than standard prediction methods for obese

> women, researchers said.

>

> One such method using ultrasound measurement at 34 to 36 weeks predicted

> birth weight within 20% accuracy in more than 90% of cases, reported

> Loralei Thornburg, M.D., of the University of Rochester Strong Memorial

> Hospital here, and colleagues in the July issue of Ultrasound in

> Obstetrics and Gynecology.

>

> In their retrospective study, this gestation-adjusted prediction (GAP)

> method had lower sensitivity among morbidly obese women for the

> clinically important prediction of macrosomia, but could exclude

> macrosomia with more than 90% accuracy regardless of maternal body mass

> index.

>

> http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/tb/10090

>

> Terry - this looks like a good research project for one of your

> students.

>

> Art

>

> --

> art fougner, md

> "May The Wings of Liberty Never Lose a Feather." - Jack Burton

>

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