Re: Important PBS series in March
From: DuBose, Terry (DuboseTerryJ@uams.edu)
Mon Mar 10 16:01:03 2008
"Don't get me started on "government" schools, better known as public
education."
In Arkansas we understand this issue well. But I do not blame the public
educational system. The problems are endemic, and most often relate back to
the earliest days of child rearing. In very poor communities where families
have little or no education, no books in the home, save the Bible, and little
interest or trust of education, we have a real problem. (Our past Governor,
and recent Presidential candidate has been quoted as saying that the history
of humanity is only about 10,000 years old! Huckabee: "If you want to believe
that you and your family came from apes, I'll accept that....I believe there
was a creative process" among other things.)
Many of these problems in the Mississippi River Valley of Arkansas (the
Delta) date to slavery and saying that they are lazy is simply inaccurate.
Others go back a few generations in the Ozark Mountains, were there were no,
or few slaves, but many "mountain folk" who also do not trust the educated.
No one said the solutions are simple, but White Flight to private schools,
and ignoring the plight of ALL our citizens will not bring solutions.
Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS, FSDMS, FAIUM
Associate Professor & Director
Diagnostic Medical Sonography Program
University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, CHRP
4301 West Markham St. Mail Slot #563
Little Rock, Arkansas, 72205 USA
501-686-6510 or 501-686-5948
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-----Original Message-----
From: ultrasound@obgyn.net [mailto:ultrasound@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:36 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND
Subject: Re: Important PBS series in March
I am very connected to my society and country. I just don't want to see
it fail because of the do-goodies that exist in it. Don't get me started
on "government" schools, better known as public education. What a farce
, public education. And even worse for those that "graduate" who can
not even read or write. Talk about a waste of money! I am impressed to
finally find out who paid for most of my education , the government. I
should be thankful. Joe C
James Smeltzer wrote:
> Joe,
>
> The work you did was valuable to the world and you were paid for it. I
> suggest that you buy an annuity and spend it all. There are SOME piglets
> somewhere that are going to get it, even if they are YOUR LITTLE
> PIGLETS.
>
> Personally I would not want my kids hanging around expecting to get it
> from DOD (Except for an education). Charitable trusts can get it free.
> You can set up a family trust NOW to share it with those you are kin to.
> You control it ALL right now and these are all options, including
> spending every last dollar in a lifetime annuity, a bet that you will
> live forever, or at least a long time. The fact is that soetime you are
> going to share it all with someone.
>
> Maybe it would be nice to give those other little piglets a good
> education so they can get weaned from the sow and do something useful,
> so your own little piglets don't need to support them and complain about
> them in the future.
>
> I agree witchya sucking a sow's tit is NOT the right way to live as an
> adult - that the government dole ain't the right answer. Certainly
> sucking on the work of others is nothing I would wish on my children,
> either. Our inheritance taxes don't kick in until there is plenty to go
> around, and the loopholes for families are so big that the only way you
> don't get much around the taxes is to hoard it all till U die. If you
> think all you got is independent of the great land that grew you and
> gave you that freedom and God that gave you the talents you nurtured for
> the work you do, the government that paid for most of the true cost of
> your education, then I feel very sorry that you feel so disconnected
> from the society you live in.
>
> Jim
>
>>>>Joe Cutchin <forcep@intercom.net> 3/10/2008 11:58 AM >>>
>
> Hmmmmm? I work hard all my life and accumulate wealth ( we still have
> capitalism?) while the piglets still suck off the government their
> entire life - and you want me to share with them when I'm dead.? Joe C
>
> James Smeltzer wrote:
>
>>Apparently Pres Bush thinks we can. He is ADAMANTLY OPPOSED to
>
> taxing
>
>>dead rich people, who were too greedy and controlling to put their
>
> bread
>
>>in a family trust....
>>
>>As to people's behavior and health - I have always been in favor of
>
> a
>
>>bigger tax on the obvious tobacco and ethanol. How about a copay
>>proportional to (BMI - 26) Or (Mean BP - 105) Or (Resting HR - 60)
>
> Or
>
>>???
>>
>>JSS
>>
>>James S. Smeltzer, MD, FACOG, SMFM
>>Consultant, Maternal Fetal Medicine
>>Wellstar Physicians' Group
>>Northwest Women's Care
>>787 Campbell Hill St
>>Marietta GA 30060
>>James.Smeltzer@wellstar.org
>>VM 678-290-3035
>>Off 770-528-0260
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>>
>>>>>Terry DuBose <terrydubose@sbcglobal.net> 3/9/2008 11:52 AM >>>
>>
>>I agree that paying for universal health care is an issue. But we
>>can't take it with us, and Denmark seems to have found some answers.
>
>>With a 50% tax rate, they are the most content people on Earth, it
>>appears:
>>
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/14/60minutes/main3833797.shtml
>
>>
>> Peace, Terry
>>
>>Ellerd Family <ellerd@stx.rr.com> wrote:
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>>st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I understand the
>>social aspects of this...the problem becomes how to pay for it. Even
>
> in
>
>>Cuba "someone" has to pay for it. The idea of providing everyone
>
> with
>
>>healthcare is a global concern and wonderful on its face...but then
>
> the
>
>>reality sets in and the next question becomes...
>>
>> How do we fund it and keep our economy viable to help other
>
> countries
>
>>achieve the same?
>>
>> I did watch the preview, however, with documentaries I never take
>>them on face value. I watch and listen and then research on my own.
>
> In
>
>>general they always tend to be slanted towards what the maker wa
>
> nts
> you
>
>>to see. I prefer making informed judgments rather than have them fed
>
> to
>
>>me with a spoon. There are plenty of sources lauding the wonders of
>
> NHS
>
>>and plenty of others describing the horror stories and rationing of
>>healthcare. Which to believe? That is for you to decide on your own.
>>
>> Now that you mention life expectancy...are we asking the question
>
> of
>
>>whether it is due to our healthcare system or our sedentary
>
> lifestyle
>
>>and access to cheap, easy, fat/sugar laden sources of food? Is there
>
> a
>
>>McDonald's on every corner in Cuba? Do people have the same access
>
> to
>
>>technology in Cuba that Americans do? Do they sit on their tookus
>
> all
>
>>day and surf the internet and never exercise?
>>
>> I believe the statistics, what I am not sure of is whether the
>>numbers are the result of personal lifestyles or the failure of the
>>healthcare system. And if you fix one, have you really fixed the
>
> other?
>
>>Will a tax payer funded healthcare system teach our society anything
>>about personal responsibility in what we shove in our faces or how
>
> much
>
>>we move? Will it cure the epidemic of lack of personal
>
> responsibility
>
>>for our own health? We can point at big corporations all day long
>
> and
>
>>say that they provide us with cigarettes, alcohol, and cheap
>>sustenance....but in the end are they holding the
>
> fork/cigarette/drink
>
>>for us? Will the tax payer funded healthcare system cure this or will
>
> it
>
>>just treat an exponentially growing problem until it bankrupts us
>
> all?
>
>>
>> Interesting discussion by the way...discourse is always
>
> fascinating.
>
>>
>> Shelley
>>
>> From: DuBose, Terry
>> To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:06 AM
>> Subject: RE: Important PBS series in March
>>
>> "Good hard numbers in this discussion would be helpful in
>>demonstrating the disparities of the systems, and at that point I
>
> think
>
>>it should
>> be determined by the individual which they feel is more
>
> advantageous
>
>>or more broken."
>>
>> Here are the world rankings for "HEALTHY LIFE EXPECTANCY" The
>
> USA
>
>>is 24, below all other industrialized nations.
>>
>> http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthy_life_table2.html
>>
>> If you actually watched the preview for UnNatural Causes
>>documentaries, you heard the statistic that the USA pays nearly half
>
> of
>
>>all the health dollars paid by the entire world, yet we rank 30th in
>>life expectancy... below Cuba according to this.
>> http://www.unnaturalcauses.org/disclaimer.html
>>
>> Why does one stat say we are 24th and the other 30th, different
>
> ways
>
>>of calculation, or different time periods? Either way, for the money
>
> we
>
>>spend, we are not getting much effectiveness when compared to other
>>nations.
>>
>> Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS, FSDMS, FAIUM
>>
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