Re: Important PBS series in March
From: Joe (forcep@intercom.net)
Mon Mar 10 15:34:09 2008
I am very connected to my society and country. I just don't want to see
it fail because of the do-goodies that exist in it. Don't get me started
on "government" schools, better known as public education. What a farce
, public education. And even worse for those that "graduate" who can
not even read or write. Talk about a waste of money! I am impressed to
finally find out who paid for most of my education , the government. I
should be thankful. Joe C
James Smeltzer wrote:
> Joe,
>
> The work you did was valuable to the world and you were paid for it. I
> suggest that you buy an annuity and spend it all. There are SOME piglets
> somewhere that are going to get it, even if they are YOUR LITTLE
> PIGLETS.
>
> Personally I would not want my kids hanging around expecting to get it
> from DOD (Except for an education). Charitable trusts can get it free.
> You can set up a family trust NOW to share it with those you are kin to.
> You control it ALL right now and these are all options, including
> spending every last dollar in a lifetime annuity, a bet that you will
> live forever, or at least a long time. The fact is that soetime you are
> going to share it all with someone.
>
> Maybe it would be nice to give those other little piglets a good
> education so they can get weaned from the sow and do something useful,
> so your own little piglets don't need to support them and complain about
> them in the future.
>
> I agree witchya sucking a sow's tit is NOT the right way to live as an
> adult - that the government dole ain't the right answer. Certainly
> sucking on the work of others is nothing I would wish on my children,
> either. Our inheritance taxes don't kick in until there is plenty to go
> around, and the loopholes for families are so big that the only way you
> don't get much around the taxes is to hoard it all till U die. If you
> think all you got is independent of the great land that grew you and
> gave you that freedom and God that gave you the talents you nurtured for
> the work you do, the government that paid for most of the true cost of
> your education, then I feel very sorry that you feel so disconnected
> from the society you live in.
>
> Jim
>
>>>>Joe Cutchin <forcep@intercom.net> 3/10/2008 11:58 AM >>>
>
> Hmmmmm? I work hard all my life and accumulate wealth ( we still have
> capitalism?) while the piglets still suck off the government their
> entire life - and you want me to share with them when I'm dead.? Joe C
>
> James Smeltzer wrote:
>
>>Apparently Pres Bush thinks we can. He is ADAMANTLY OPPOSED to
>
> taxing
>
>>dead rich people, who were too greedy and controlling to put their
>
> bread
>
>>in a family trust....
>>
>>As to people's behavior and health - I have always been in favor of
>
> a
>
>>bigger tax on the obvious tobacco and ethanol. How about a copay
>>proportional to (BMI - 26) Or (Mean BP - 105) Or (Resting HR - 60)
>
> Or
>
>>???
>>
>>JSS
>>
>>James S. Smeltzer, MD, FACOG, SMFM
>>Consultant, Maternal Fetal Medicine
>>Wellstar Physicians' Group
>>Northwest Women's Care
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>>>>>Terry DuBose <terrydubose@sbcglobal.net> 3/9/2008 11:52 AM >>>
>>
>>I agree that paying for universal health care is an issue. But we
>>can't take it with us, and Denmark seems to have found some answers.
>
>>With a 50% tax rate, they are the most content people on Earth, it
>>appears:
>>
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/14/60minutes/main3833797.shtml
>
>>
>> Peace, Terry
>>
>>Ellerd Family <ellerd@stx.rr.com> wrote:
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>>st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I understand the
>>social aspects of this...the problem becomes how to pay for it. Even
>
> in
>
>>Cuba "someone" has to pay for it. The idea of providing everyone
>
> with
>
>>healthcare is a global concern and wonderful on its face...but then
>
> the
>
>>reality sets in and the next question becomes...
>>
>> How do we fund it and keep our economy viable to help other
>
> countries
>
>>achieve the same?
>>
>> I did watch the preview, however, with documentaries I never take
>>them on face value. I watch and listen and then research on my own.
>
> In
>
>>general they always tend to be slanted towards what the maker wa
>
> nts
> you
>
>>to see. I prefer making informed judgments rather than have them fed
>
> to
>
>>me with a spoon. There are plenty of sources lauding the wonders of
>
> NHS
>
>>and plenty of others describing the horror stories and rationing of
>>healthcare. Which to believe? That is for you to decide on your own.
>>
>> Now that you mention life expectancy...are we asking the question
>
> of
>
>>whether it is due to our healthcare system or our sedentary
>
> lifestyle
>
>>and access to cheap, easy, fat/sugar laden sources of food? Is there
>
> a
>
>>McDonald's on every corner in Cuba? Do people have the same access
>
> to
>
>>technology in Cuba that Americans do? Do they sit on their tookus
>
> all
>
>>day and surf the internet and never exercise?
>>
>> I believe the statistics, what I am not sure of is whether the
>>numbers are the result of personal lifestyles or the failure of the
>>healthcare system. And if you fix one, have you really fixed the
>
> other?
>
>>Will a tax payer funded healthcare system teach our society anything
>>about personal responsibility in what we shove in our faces or how
>
> much
>
>>we move? Will it cure the epidemic of lack of personal
>
> responsibility
>
>>for our own health? We can point at big corporations all day long
>
> and
>
>>say that they provide us with cigarettes, alcohol, and cheap
>>sustenance....but in the end are they holding the
>
> fork/cigarette/drink
>
>>for us? Will the tax payer funded healthcare system cure this or will
>
> it
>
>>just treat an exponentially growing problem until it bankrupts us
>
> all?
>
>>
>> Interesting discussion by the way...discourse is always
>
> fascinating.
>
>>
>> Shelley
>>
>> From: DuBose, Terry
>> To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:06 AM
>> Subject: RE: Important PBS series in March
>>
>> “Good hard numbers in this discussion would be helpful in
>>demonstrating the disparities of the systems, and at that point I
>
> think
>
>>it should
>> be determined by the individual which they feel is more
>
> advantageous
>
>>or more broken.”
>>
>> Here are the world rankings for “HEALTHY LIFE EXPECTANCY” The
>
> USA
>
>>is 24, below all other industrialized nations.
>>
>> http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthy_life_table2.html
>>
>> If you actually watched the preview for UnNatural Causes
>>documentaries, you heard the statistic that the USA pays nearly half
>
> of
>
>>all the health dollars paid by the entire world, yet we rank 30th in
>>life expectancy… below Cuba according to this.
>> http://www.unnaturalcauses.org/disclaimer.html
>>
>> Why does one stat say we are 24th and the other 30th, different
>
> ways
>
>>of calculation, or different time periods? Either way, for the money
>
> we
>
>>spend, we are not getting much effectiveness when compared to other
>>nations.
>>
>> Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS, FSDMS, FAIUM
>>
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