Re: Tom Cruise Ultrasound Maven
From: art fougner, md (evsono@pipeline.com)
Mon Dec 5 12:29:25 2005
I just wish both sides of this debate would use the same passion to
demand a quality education in the 3R's as they seem to use in the sex ed
debates.
art
At Mon, 5 Dec 2005, DuBose, Terry wrote:
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>I agree with Dave on this one. The federal government is reducing
>(removing) financial support for Family Planning, sex education in
>public schools, etc. unless it advocates only "abstinence".
>
>To oppose abortion as a choice implies an obligation to provide services
>and education about human reproduction and contraception. Our
>government is heading in the opposite direction on this one.
>
>Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS, FSDMS, FAIUM
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>Associate Professor & Director
>Diagnostic Medical Sonography Program
>University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, CHRP
>4301 West Markham St. Mail Slot #563
>Little Rock, Arkansas, 72205 USA
>501-686-6510
>DuBoseTerryJ@UAMS.edu
>http://www.io.com/~dubose/
>http://www.uams.edu/chrp/dms/default.asp
>http://www.obgyn.net/us/panel/panel.htm
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>From: ultrasound@obgyn.net [mailto:ultrasound@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of
>doctorjoe@aol.com
>Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:32 AM
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>Subject: Re: Tom Cruise Ultrasound Maven
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>Evidence for that? I didn't know that was the only way.
>
>Joe P.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Berck <djberck@yahoo.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND <ultrasound@dns.obgyn.net>
>Sent: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:19:17 -0600
>Subject: Re: Tom Cruise Ultrasound Maven
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>Yeah, as long as that sex education includes information about birth
>control options, not just abstinence, not to mention access to those
>options. The only proven way to decrease the abortion rate is to
>increase the contraception rate.
>
>James Smeltzer <James.Smeltzer@wellstar.org> wrote:
>
>I heartily agree with that statement. I also believe that we should be
>socially proactive in providing sex education in our schools. This has
>been proven to decrease the unexpected teen pregnancy rate everywhere it
>has been tried. Some people in this country are opposed to this and
>opposed to abortion as well. This harkens back to the scarlet letter
>days, IMHO.
>Jim S
>
>>>> orlandoultrasound@hotmail.com 12/2/2005 1:51:08 PM >>>
>
>Just to throw a comment on the women's (pro) choice of what happens
>toher body, shouldn't the choice be made at the time of intercourse
>rather
>than after the "oops" pregnancy occurs. If I were to say walk along a
>dangerous cliff, aren't I taking a similar risk of something happening
>to my body. Life is all about choices and outcomes huh! Maybe the Pro in
>the "Pro choice" should take a new ! meaning into "Proactive" to keep
>from
>getting pregnant if that isn't the situation you want to be in.
>Kevin
>
>Kevin Snider RDMS,RDCS,RVT Chad Hall RDMS, RDCS, RVT Orlando Ultrasound
>Associates, Inc.Diagnostics - Consulting- EducationOffice:
>(407)273-7303Toll Free: (866)-613-7303Fax (407)
>381-2502http://www.orlandoultrasound.com From: "James Smeltzer"
>
>Reply-To: ultrasound@obgyn.net
>To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND
>Subject: Re: Tom Cruise Ultrasound Maven
>Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:00:07 -0600
>>Guys, this is America, not AMERIKA! If he needs ! help with his machine
>-
>>and he should get a good professional to help him look at this baby -
>I
>>would volunteer to do this, if he would play with my kids, and sign a
>>few autographs.
>>
>>As a sonologist, perinatologist and American, I believe that the
>proven
>>beneficial effects on p! arent-infant bonding justify the theoretical
>>risks of diagnostic ultrasound. My main objections to "botique"
>>sonograms are that they discriminate against the poor, they do not
>>provide the usual quality assurance measures, and they do not address
>>legitimate medical needs that are satisfied by quality sonography.
>>
>>We tape on request for that reason. We also provide keepsake photos.
>In
>>these days of chaotic fragmented lives, the most important
>
>determinate
>>of good child outcomes (ALL of our main objective) is a persistant
>>unconditional positive parent child relationship. This STARTS with a
>>! firm positive parent-infant bond. This can start with a quality
>>sonogram, IMHO. If you do not realize that this is part of your
>mission,
>>you are in the wrong line of work.
>>
>>Part of the reason that the "botique" sonogram business exists is
>that
>>WE ARE NOT CONSISTENTLY DOING OUR! JOB in this regard. Tom Cruise
>shows
>>us this & rather than accepting our lesson with love and humility, we
>>jump his ass. We are a bunch of pompous idiots!
>>
>>One of the best things I ever did in my career was to train a nurse
>and
>>minister's wife who has turned around and is training people
>nationally
>>from crisis pregnancy centers on the use of sonography in their work.
>I
>>am pro choice in believing a woman should have choice of what happens
>to
>>her body, but I am definitely pro life in my personal action, and in
>>believing that it is legitimate use of ultrasound to show a woman the
>>t! ruth about the child she is carrying.
>>
>>If I had Tom Cruise's money, I would find someone with knowledge to
>>guide me and do what he did. I would also get a pro job a couple of
>>times during the pregnancy.
>>
>>Please forgive the rant, but our forefathers died that we should b! e
>>free. The only justifiable defense of the removal of any freedom is
>an
>>overriding public good that necessarily conflicts with our inherent
>>private rights - child immunizations and traffic laws for example. I
>do
>>not see this being the case regarding sonography.
>>
>>GO TOM!
>>
>>James S. Smeltzer, MD, FACOG, SMFM
>>Consultant, Maternal Fetal Medicine
>>Wellstar Physicians' Group
>>Northwest Women's Care
>>787 Campbell Hill St
>>Marietta GA 30060
>>James.Smeltzer@wellstar.org
>>VM 678-290-3035
>>Off 770-528-0260
>>Page 404-318-3451
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>! > >>> evsono@pipeline.com 12/1/2005 11:35:45 AM >>>
>>Tom Cruise is performing sonograms. No report on his fees or where he
>>obtained the machine. The FDA should be interested since this flies
>>in
>>the face of an FDA directive.
>>
>>http://news!
>.yahoo.com/s/eo/20051130/en_celeb_eo/17872;_ylt=AqS4TXlKqErI73ZoxBa35CZV
>.nQA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
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>>--
>>art fougner, md
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