ULTRASOUND Messages for September, 2004: Re: The fight is being lost...

Re: The fight is being lost...

From: Dave Berck

djberck@yahoo.com

Sat Sep 25 08:29:16 2004

> " This just doesn't seem like such a big deal when
> most ultrasound in
> the US is being done by jokers who wouldn't know a
> nuchal fold from a
> fig newton."
>
> This is the best argument for mandatory licensure
> and ARDMS
> certification for all using sonography... even the
> RNs and MDs.
>
> Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS, FSDMS, FAIUM
>
> Associate Professor & Director
> Diagnostic Medical Sonography Program
> University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, CHRP
> 4301 West Markham St. Mail Slot #563
> Little Rock, Arkansas, 72205 USA
> 501-686-6510
> DuBoseTerryJ@UAMS.edu
> http://www.io.com/~dubose/
> http://www.uams.edu/chrp/dms/default.asp
> http://www.obgyn.net/us/panel/panel.htm
>
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-- --------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: ultrasound@obgyn.net > [mailto:ultrasound@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of > Dave Berck > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:48 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND > Subject: Re: The fight is being lost... > > I'm not a big fan of fetal foto, but the only strong > argument against them is that > > 1) it's bad for the baby. > > But > Does anyone really think that this is true? Is > there any ultrasound professional who uses any > genuine > restraint in indications for ultrasound in order to > abide by ALARA principles? If not, it's time to get > off the high horse. I don't think the prohibition > analogy holds here -- diagnostic u/s isn't bad for > babies. > > 2) the techs won't know what to do with an anomaly > (e.g. cleft lip or anencephaly). > > But > Does anyone familiar with the quality of > ultrasound > in the US (i.e. low) think that the overall quality > of > fetal fotos could possible be worse than what > general > ob/gyns generate in their offices? Who's done a > worse > job -- the radiologist who misses anencephaly at 20 > weeks, or the fetal foto tech who misses it at 30 > weeks? > > This just doesn't seem like such a big deal when > most ultrasound in the US is being done by jokers > who > wouldn't know a nuchal fold from a fig newton. > > -- Dave Berck, MD, MPH, RDMS > > --- Allen Worrall <jworrall@alaska.net> wrote: > > > I am afraid it is going to be like Prohibition: > > there are some things that the people want and you > > can pass all the laws you want, but it will not > stop > > even law-abiding folks from doing whatever it is > > (drinking alcohol or having prenatal sonos.). > > > > Of course it could be greatly reduced, by > > considering it something as bad as dealing drugs, > or > > a similar really bad thing. Then you would have > > underground ultrasound "speakeasies". Probably no > > one on this forum is old enough to know what I am > > talking about. > > > > Allen

>> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dr. Wolfgang Moroder > > To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND > > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:21 AM > > Subject: Re: The fight is being lost... > > > > Thanks Terry, well the war ... drags on! > > Wolfgang > > > > Am 23/set/04 um 21:05 schrieb DuBose, Terry: > > > > > Wolfgang... no, but it helps. Basically, in > > the USA there are folks, > > > some untrained in medicine, who are opening > > "Fetal Studios" and > > > charging > > > large fees to provide the parents with > pictures > > and videos. This is > > > without any medical indication or diagnosis. > > > > > > There are at least two sides, probably many > > more, and a lot of > > > disagreement in what should be done. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS, FSDMS, FAIUM > > > > > > Associate Professor & Director > > > Diagnostic Medical Sonography Program > > > University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, > > CHRP > > > 4301 West Markham St. Mail Slot #563 > > > Little Rock, Arkansas, 72205 USA > > > 501-686-6510 > > > DuBoseTerryJ@UAMS.edu > > > http://www.io.com/~dubose/ > > > http://www.uams.edu/chrp/dms/default.asp > > > http://www.obgyn.net/us/panel/panel.htm > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ultrasound@obgyn.net > > [mailto:ultrasound@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of > > > Dr. Wolfgang Moroder > > > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:00 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND > > > Subject: Re: The fight is being lost... > > > > > > Do I have to be a registered user of NYT to > > understand what this is all > > > about? > > > Best regards > > > > > > Wolfgang > > > > > > Am 23/set/04 um 16:20 schrieb Philippe Jeanty, > > MD, PhD: > > > > > >> > > >

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/23/technology/circuits/23ultr.html?th > > > > > > > ===== > David J. Berck, MD, MPH >

===== David J. Berck, MD, MPH

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