Re: Threatenad abortion and usg
From: art fougner, md (evsono@pipeline.com)
Sun Dec 23 17:22:16 2001
Terry -
yes but very sporadically and not in the JUM or the white journal
either.
art
At Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Terry J DuBose wrote:
>
>"Intravaginal sonography" sounds good to me. Both "intra" and "vagina"
>are from Latin... have you ever seen it used in the literature?
>
>Terry
>
>On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:59:37 -0600 evsono@pipeline.com (art fougner, md)
>writes:
>> Ditto re Argentina's current woes - God Bless.
>>
>> regarding trans vs endo vaginal - would not intravaginal be more
>> appropriate?
>>
>> art
>>
>> At Sun, 23 Dec 2001, DuBose, Terry wrote:
>> >
>> >Dr. Margulies, That is a amusing story.
>> >
>> >Now that you have brought the subject up, I also remember a
>> discussion of
>> >"endovaginal" and "transvaginal" from long ago . It was a purely
>> academic
>> >argument that "endo-" was from Greek and "vagina" was Latin and the
>> two
>> >should not be combined. This person preferred the two Latin
>> combining forms
>> >together: "transvaginal". However, others were arguing that
>> "endovaginal"
>> >as more accurate because the transducer was inside the vagina, and
>> >"transvaginal" implied outside the vagina but looking across the
>> vagina.
>> >
>> >Both terms seem to work, at least they seem to be used
>> interchangeably. I
>> >like your historical definitions as well as the more esoteric,
>> academic
>> >ones. Perhaps there is a more experienced medical etymologist
>> among us who
>> >can comment.
>> >
>> >Dr. Margulies, I did not see the world news this month without
>> thinking of
>> >you and your family, and that of Hector and Alicia Lapidus. I
>> realize these
>> >must be difficult times for you in Argentina... you and our other
>> friends in
>> >Argentina are in our thoughts.
>> >
>> >Hoping for happy holidays and a better new year for you all..
>> >
>> >Peace, Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS
>> >Assistant Professor & Director, Diagnostic Medical Sonography
>> Program
>> >CHRP, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences
>> >Little Rock, Arkansas, USA
>> >501-686-6510
>> >http://www.io.com/~dubose/ <http://www.io.com/~dubose/>
>> >http://www.uams.edu/CHRP/dmshome.htm
>> <http://www.uams.edu/CHRP/dmshome.htm>
>> >http://www.obgyn.net/us/panel/panel.htm
>> ><http://www.obgyn.net/us/panel/panel.htm>
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Daniel Margulies [mailto:danymarg@fibertel.com.ar]
>> >Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 3:57 PM
>> >To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND
>> >Subject: Re: Threatenad abortion and usg
>> >
>> >Long time ago, speaking to Prof. Manfred Hansmann ( 1983 ) I have
>> asked him
>> >how to name the study, Endovaginal or transvaginal and He answered
>> " It all
>> >depends on how hard you push "
>> >Sorry for the joke
>> >
>> >Phisically is absolutelly imposible that the full bladder or the
>> normal
>> >pressure of the probe can initiate an abortion.
>> >Just impossible
>> >
>> >--
>> >Daniel Margulies
>> >
>
>>>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Allen <mailto:jworrall@alaska.net> Worrall
>> >To: Multiple recipients of list
>> <mailto:ultrasound@mail.medispecialty.com>
>> >ULTRASOUND
>> >Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 2:45 PM
>> >Subject: Re: Threatenad abortion and usg
>> >
>> >I do not believe the full bladder or the transducer pressure had
>> anything to
>> >do with this patient's spontaneous abortion.
>> >
>> >I also do not believe that transvaginal ultrasound has anything to
>> do with
>> >spontaneous abortion, and I believe transvaginal ultrasound is a
>> much better
>> >way to evaluate vaginal bleeding during the 1st trimester of
>> pregnancy.
>> >
>> >However, we cannot control what our patient's believe and there is
>> always
>> >the risk of the patient believing that the ultrasound should not
>> have been
>> >done, and that the ultrasound caused the miscarriage. Patients are
>> more
>> >likely to blame a transvaginal scan that a transabdominal scan in
>> my
>> >opinion. I personally have never had the problem of a patient
>> accusing me of
>> >causing a miscarriage by ultrasound.
>> >
>> >If the sonographer or sonologist or radiologist is telling your
>> patients
>> >that ultrasound will cause a miscarriage, you have a problem.
>> >
>> >Joseph A Worrall MD RDMS
>> >OB/GYN Ultrasound at the Fairbanks Clinic
>> >Fairbanks, Alaska, USA
>> >jworrall@alaska.net <mailto:jworrall@alaska.net>
>> >www.obgynsono.com <http://www.obgynsono.com>
>> >
>>
>> --
>> art fougner, md
>> ich bin ein New Yorker
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art fougner, md
ich bin ein New Yorker
