Re: Threatenad abortion and usg
From: art fougner, md (evsono@pipeline.com)
Sun Dec 23 15:56:21 2001
Ditto re Argentina's current woes - God Bless.
regarding trans vs endo vaginal - would not intravaginal be more
appropriate?
art
At Sun, 23 Dec 2001, DuBose, Terry wrote:
>
>Dr. Margulies, That is a amusing story.
>
>Now that you have brought the subject up, I also remember a discussion of
>"endovaginal" and "transvaginal" from long ago . It was a purely academic
>argument that "endo-" was from Greek and "vagina" was Latin and the two
>should not be combined. This person preferred the two Latin combining forms
>together: "transvaginal". However, others were arguing that "endovaginal"
>as more accurate because the transducer was inside the vagina, and
>"transvaginal" implied outside the vagina but looking across the vagina.
>
>Both terms seem to work, at least they seem to be used interchangeably. I
>like your historical definitions as well as the more esoteric, academic
>ones. Perhaps there is a more experienced medical etymologist among us who
>can comment.
>
>Dr. Margulies, I did not see the world news this month without thinking of
>you and your family, and that of Hector and Alicia Lapidus. I realize these
>must be difficult times for you in Argentina... you and our other friends in
>Argentina are in our thoughts.
>
>Hoping for happy holidays and a better new year for you all..
>
>Peace, Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS
>Assistant Professor & Director, Diagnostic Medical Sonography Program
>CHRP, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences
>Little Rock, Arkansas, USA
>501-686-6510
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>http://www.uams.edu/CHRP/dmshome.htm <http://www.uams.edu/CHRP/dmshome.htm>
>http://www.obgyn.net/us/panel/panel.htm
><http://www.obgyn.net/us/panel/panel.htm>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel Margulies [mailto:danymarg@fibertel.com.ar]
>Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 3:57 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND
>Subject: Re: Threatenad abortion and usg
>
>Long time ago, speaking to Prof. Manfred Hansmann ( 1983 ) I have asked him
>how to name the study, Endovaginal or transvaginal and He answered " It all
>depends on how hard you push "
>Sorry for the joke
>
>Phisically is absolutelly imposible that the full bladder or the normal
>pressure of the probe can initiate an abortion.
>Just impossible
>
>--
>Daniel Margulies
>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>From: Allen <mailto:jworrall@alaska.net> Worrall
>To: Multiple recipients of list <mailto:ultrasound@mail.medispecialty.com>
>ULTRASOUND
>Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 2:45 PM
>Subject: Re: Threatenad abortion and usg
>
>I do not believe the full bladder or the transducer pressure had anything to
>do with this patient's spontaneous abortion.
>
>I also do not believe that transvaginal ultrasound has anything to do with
>spontaneous abortion, and I believe transvaginal ultrasound is a much better
>way to evaluate vaginal bleeding during the 1st trimester of pregnancy.
>
>However, we cannot control what our patient's believe and there is always
>the risk of the patient believing that the ultrasound should not have been
>done, and that the ultrasound caused the miscarriage. Patients are more
>likely to blame a transvaginal scan that a transabdominal scan in my
>opinion. I personally have never had the problem of a patient accusing me of
>causing a miscarriage by ultrasound.
>
>If the sonographer or sonologist or radiologist is telling your patients
>that ultrasound will cause a miscarriage, you have a problem.
>
>Joseph A Worrall MD RDMS
>OB/GYN Ultrasound at the Fairbanks Clinic
>Fairbanks, Alaska, USA
>jworrall@alaska.net <mailto:jworrall@alaska.net>
>www.obgynsono.com <http://www.obgynsono.com>
>
--
art fougner, md
ich bin ein New Yorker
