Re: Ultrasound--diagnosis or treatment?

From: Anatoli Garkusha (midilover@yahoo.com)
Sun Feb 18 23:51:27 2001


Hello, Hear in Kiev one can meet the following variants of sonography in obgyn: 1. The gyn himself performs sono as part of his job and does not mention sono data in protocol. 2. The gyn perfoms sono as part of his job and gives a few words in medical card regarding his sono findings. 3. The gyn has no machine and refers his patients to other gyns with machine. 4. The gyn uses the services of a sonologist.

Sonologist variants: 1. Only describes data - no conclusion. 2. Describes data and gives conclusion (resume, diagnosis). 3. Describes data, gives resume and writes down a few words of treatment he recommends (suggests).

In order to cooperate with doctors I would visit them personally or call them up and clarify the volume of my participation in diagnostics. I would underline I never will allow myself intervene into the treatment tactics. Their patients return back to them no matter what my knowledge (snobbism) might whisper in my ear.

Some doctors, though, ask me to suggest tactics. They say some words, like "operation recommended", "fibroid needs removal", "curettage ?", "gestagens for 4 months and repeated sonography" , - won't affect our cooperation. They may feel more confident to avoid operation (ovarian cysts, endometrial hyperplasia and so on) or insist on operation if the patient hesitates having heard other opinion from other consultants.

(In this respect, what do you think about inserting some lines at the end of PROTOCOL, say CLINICAL IMPRESSION: ____________________________________ ? CLINICAL IMPRESSION: ____________________________________ or

CLINICAL OPINION: ___________________________________________________________ ?) ___________________________________________________________

Some gyns used to refer their patients to other gyns with machines . They are sure that only gyn understands a gyn. They want another opinion.

Other gynecologists get angry to come to know the sonologist wrote treatment or talked on treatment during the sonographical investigation.

I agree that we must avoid mentioning the treatment issue. Any word we say is information the patient places very deeply into memory and psyche. The patient is made such. He uses the doctor's snobbism subconsciously. Some patients believe sonography sees all. Others, who come in line of paid investigation, are eager "to squeeze" all out of sonologist (sonographer), also information in words, not only sonographical protocol. And JUST AT THIS MOMENT we can forget deontology and start talking too much. These take your time, energy and "positrons" - and only then the patient is satisfied and leaves the lab.

--
 Anatoli I. Garkusha, MD, sonologist.
Kiev, Ukraine.

>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr.Naseem Ahmad" <dr_naseemahmad@yahoo.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND" <ultrasound@mail.medispecialty.com> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Ultrasound--diagnosis or treatment?

>> >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Naseem Ahmad <dr_naseemahmad@yahoo.com> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND <ultrasound@forum.obgyn.net> > >Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 17:33 > >Subject: Ultrasound--diagnosis or treatment? > > > >> I am a practising gynaecologist in Karachi. We send > >> patients for ultrasonography for various reasons. Nine > >> out of ten sonologists after giving their report > >> prescribe some sort of treatment/management. For > >> instance a patient sent for follicle study comes back > >> with the remark: hcg today and intercourse tomorrow > >> without knowing what the treating physician has in his > >> mind. The other common example: Ovarian cyst, advised > >> ca125 or ovariectomy or cystectomy not advised. > >> Fibroid uterus: suggest GnRH agonists or myomectomy > >> advised. And there are hundreds of examples that not > >> only disturb the anxious patients but create a great > >> degree of conflict between the patient and her > >> physician as she comes back with the diagnosis and > >> ultimate treatment which in majority of patients is > >> not indicated. I have verbally spoken to several > >> sonologists , written about it in the medical press > >> but this practice continues abated. Any comments. > >> Dr. Naseem Ahmad FRCOG > >> Chief editor "The Gynaecologist" Quarterly > >> Karachi, Pakistan > >>




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