Re: question regarding the history of sonography schools
From: Terry DuBose (terrydubose@sbcglobal.net)
Sun Jul 23 09:46:02 2006
Joan, thanks for this. I hope you will document your personal history here. When you say "I could go a long time on this subject but bottom line you are looking for pre-requisites which came much later and you would be better to not consider the beginning but the beginning of accredited programs which was 1980.", please do tell us what you remember of those early days.
Terry
Joan P Baker <jbakerbaker@comcast.net> wrote:
It depends how early you want to go. In the very beginning it was anyone who
wanted to get trained found a way to on- the- job train with no course work
or any support, in other words self taught. Many were receptionists or
secretaries or related to someone in the medical profession who said that
there was this new medical device they should learn. Some were already in a
medical profession like x-ray and for whatever reason felt under challenged
or did not find their chosen career to their likening and decided to give
ultrasound a try. There are many different stories of how the pioneers got
into ultrasound.
Once we created the occupation of the "sonogrpaher" with the USOE. BTW that
was the actual term used in 1974, then schools started to have a student
population that sort to go into the field. The reason being that until you
have an occupation you can't get financial aid to go to school.
Most schools started as on the job training in hospitals or hospital based
education as it was known and regardless of allied health field this was
initially the most common. Since hospitals did not have the time or
resources to teach classes these early schools taught hands on scanning and
the rest of the education was by osmosis. May be a few lectures here and
there but nothing formal. Gradually the need for courses became obvious when
the ARDMS came about we had physics and medicine tests as well as your
specialty and the first exams were again hands-on with patient subjects and
written exams. It was at this time that those with a previous medical
training in something became a more attractive student because they needed
less formal class room support. The hospital could get away with teaching
some physics and cross-section anatomy. Remember in those days ultrasound
was the only field using anatomy cross sectionally so getting someone who
could understand it was not easy. The most likely source was radiology of
course in fact radiation therapy was more into thinking cross sectionally
than anyone else.
I could go a long time on this subject but bottom line you are looking for
pre-requisites which came much later and you would be better to not consider
the beginning but the beginning of accredited programs which was 1980.
There you will find the pre--requites were mainly a previous allied health
background., except for the programs that were a BS degree in ultrasound
(Weber state, Seattle Univ & Oklahoma) and they were all a high school
diploma, however, structured such that the student took two years of core
courses followed by 2 years of ultrasound related course and clinical
training. Allied Health background meant RN, RT, LPN, Nuc Med etc as well as
EKG, respiratory and EEG ( midline heads were the bread and butter in some
labs).
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From: "Rodriguez, Jose A. (Cy-Fair)" To: "Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND-HISTORY"
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: question regarding the history of sonography schools
Hello Joan,
Do you recall any information regarding the prerequisites of these earlier
sonography institutes?
My main question is: was medical experience a prerequisite in earlier days
for sonography schools? Today, (at least in Texas) It seems like this
prerequisite is no longer needed to apply into a sonography school.
Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
________________________________
From: ultrasound-history@medispecialty.com on behalf of Joan P Baker
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Sent: Fri 7/21/2006 10:17 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND-HISTORY
Subject: Re: question regarding the history of sonography schools
You are right Roger if my memory serves me correctly Oklahoma has a non
academic program first with Ross Brown and LE Schhnitzer in the hospital
base very early and so did Maryland Institute and I know you were one of the
first accredited programs Roger. It is hard to know what constitutes an
education program. I taught people around my kitchen table and took them to
work with me in 1970. The SU program did not open until 1974 with 4 students
and Oklahoma and Maryland were already admitting students. Accreditation did
not start until 1980 the first program was not accreditable. But early
programs were Weber state, programs in Michigan, Maryland etc it comes down
to how formal does it have to be to call it a program? I do not consider my
kitchen table gang a program!
>----- Original Message -----
From: roger sanders
To: Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND-HISTORY
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: question regarding the history of sonography schools
I believe the first accredited program was the Maryland Institute of
ultrasound program in Baltimore, a combine of a number hospitals in
Baltimore including Johns Hopkins GBMC Franklin Square University of
Maryland . This program is now the U.M.B.C program however I do not think
this was the first established program. It seems to me that the program at
Oklahoma came earlier Roger Sanders
Joanne wrote:
PLEASE STOP SENDING THESE EMAILS TO ME
THANKS
>----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan P Baker"To: "Multiple recipients of list ULTRASOUND-HISTORY"
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: question regarding the history of sonography schools
> No Thomas Jefferson was not the first accredited program or the first
> program to exist. Thomas Jefferson did have a in-house hospital based
> program before a academic based program. I will send more on this later
>
> Joan
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> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:56 AM
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>> Hello,
>> I think it was in Philadelphia, at Thomas Jefferson University >> Hospital
>> Thanks,
>> Anna
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>> From: Jose A. Rodriguez
>> To: Multiple recipients of list >> ULTRASOUND-HISTORY
>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:28 AM
>> Subject: question regarding the history of sonography schools
>>
>> Hello, when and where was the first Sonography school established? >> What
>> were the requirements before applying?
>>
>> The reason for the question is that the medical requirement prior to >> 18
>> month sonography programs is fading away. In my opinion, 18 months >> of
>> clinical and sonography skills falls short of producing compitent >> and
>> confident sonographers. I would like to extend our 18 month DMS >> program
>> to a 2 year program if possible.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Jose
>>
>> --
>> Jose A. Rodriguez, RVT, RDMS, R.T.(R)
>>
>> Clinical Coordinator/Associate Professor,
>>
>> Sonography
>>
>> Cy-Fair College
>>
>> 9191 Barker Cypress Rd.
>>
>> Cypress, TX 77433-1383
>>
>> 281-290-3997
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>> jose.a.rodriguez@nhmccd.edu
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>>
Hello,
>>
I think it was in Philadelphia, at Thomas Jefferson University
>> Hospital
>>
Thanks,
>>
Anna
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From:
>> title=mailto:jose.a.rodriguez@nhmccd.edu
>> href="mailto:jose.a.rodriguez@nhmccd.edu">Jose A. Rodriguez >>
>>
To:
>> title=mailto:ultrasound-history@dns.obgyn.net
>> href="mailto:ultrasound-history@dns.obgyn.net">Multiple recipients >> of list
>> ULTRASOUND-HISTORY
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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 >> 11:28
>> AM
>>
Subject: question regarding >> the history
>> of sonography schools
>>
Hello, when and where was the first Sonography school >>
>> established? What
were the requirements before >> applying?
The
>> reason for the question is that the medical requirement prior to >> 18
month
>> sonography programs is fading away. In my opinion, 18 months
>> of
clinical and sonography skills falls short of producing >> compitent
>> and
confident sonographers. I would like to extend our 18 >> month DMS
>> program
to a 2 year program if possible.
Thank
>> you!
Jose
--
Jose A. Rodriguez, RVT, RDMS,
>> R.T.(R)
Clinical Coordinator/Associate
>> Professor,
Sonography
Cy-Fair College
9191 >> Barker
>> Cypress Rd.
Cypress, TX >> 77433-1383
281-290-3997
>> title=mailto:jose.a.rodriguez@nhmccd.edu
>> >> href="mailto:jose.a.rodriguez@nhmccd.edu">jose.a.rodriguez@nhmccd.edu>> A>
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