Re: BC PILLS/ GLUCOPHAGE/ CLOMID...ANY SIMILAR STORIES?
From: Lodema (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:37:10 -0600 (CST)
u lost me.
i'm just trying to get help here, and i understand that u were targeting
this towards the person who replied to my post, but please don't use my
post to put up your research. It didn't help me one bit, and I have to
say I didn't read all of it. (not that i wanted to)
At Sun, 09 Mar 2003, Cassandra wrote:
>
>Just a question....
>
>I've been "lurking" on this list for a while now, although I only started
>posting recently. I have noticed a lot of posts (from at least two
>different people) touting the wonders of progesterone cream and "natural"
>progesterone. What makes me wonder is the "email me off list" part of the
>message, where the email address is within a domain like myarbonne.com or
>some other multi-level-marketing group/commercial venture.
>
>While I'm glad there is not any overt advertising on this list, these posts
>come *pretty darn close* to advertising, IMHO. I think if someone posts a
>personal testimonial, and then includes references to websites, email
>addresses, etc. where someone can purchase a product mentioned in that
>testimonial, then that person should have to state up front that he/she
>makes a profit from the sale of that product. Just seems like the ethical
>thing to do, and I'm confused as to why these posts are allowed without
>such disclaimers.
>
>I also object to the implication that one cannot obtain progesterone by
>prescription, and that only a "fake" progestin will be given by medical
>professionals. True, there are many synthetic progestin molecules out
>there, and these may or may not be the best for certain medical problems.
>
>But there are also legitimate progesterone supplements available by
>prescription (Prometrium, Gesterol, Crinone, etc.) that contain
>progesterone that may be *derived* from plant sources, but is
>*biochemically identical* to "natural" human progesterone. That is to say,
>if you tested them against progesterone taken from a human being, the
>molecules would be exactly the same.
>
>To say the "natural" progesterone in OTC supplements and creams is somehow
>better or different from prescribed progesterone (and I'm referring to the
>actual progesterone molecule, not any of the various progestins) is as
>silly as saying that oxygen extracted from the atmosphere is somehow
>different from oxygen hydrolyzed from water! If I were suffering from
>severe asthma or heart failure, in need of oxygen from a tank, I would not
>care what the source was so long as the final product was indeed oxygen,
>i.e. O2. My body would have no clue what the original source of the O2 was.
>
>And for that matter, are the progesterone creams sold over the counter
>extracted from ground-up human ovaries, or extracted from the blood or
>urine of human women? That would be the only way they could be truly
>"natural," and I highly doubt that anyone is using that sort of source in
>these creams.
>
>For example, if they are indeed extracting this "natural" progesterone from
>the urine of human women, it would be mighty expensive stuff, since most
>progesterone is converted to other things in the body, or bound to proteins
>in the blood, and very little of it shows up unchanged in the urine.
>
>Can one of the reps who sells these progesterone creams fill me in on what
>the exact source of their "natural" progesterone is? I'm willing to bet it
>is originally plant-derived (soy, yam, etc.) or animal-derived, and then
>chemically modified to be identical to human progesterone. (Which would be
>fine by me, since even that "artificial" chemical alteration would still
>give me the bio-identical end product, like the oxygen example I used
>above.) Many of these OTC creams claim to have USP progesterone, meaning it
>meets the quality standards of the U.S. Pharmacopeia. Is the source of
>this USP progesterone is any different from the USP progesterone used in,
>for example, Prometrium? How are these OTC products any safer or more
>effective than the (USP, bio-identical) ones made by the pharmaceutical
>companies?
>
>Cassandra
>
>At Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Angie wrote:
> >The
> >doctor can't give you natural progesterone, but will give you a fake
> >called Progestin with side effects. Progestin is in birth control it
> >prevents and blocks you from having any natural progesterone. Please
> >E-mail me for more info. I know it will help you.
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