PCOS Messages for January, 2003: Re: PCOS, Estrogen, and Hypothyroid

Re: PCOS, Estrogen, and Hypothyroid

From: Victoria (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:23:19 -0500

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This kinda sounds like a advertisement, which are not allowed on these forums. I noticed that another proponent of progesterone cream listed an article from the Arbonne site on progesterone cream.

About every scientist I know who's a name in PCOS is working on insulin resistance. I've not seen where progesterone cream will do anything for that. Can you give us the references where this data comes from?

Before you consider trying the progesterone creams, I made an investigation into them into a webpage: (http://nichollsvi.tripod.com/p_cream.html). The issues I mainly deal with are:

1) the FDA (regulatory body in America) and its legal stance on the products potentially being in violation of current laws. 2) the lack of facts or science (validity) behind the product/theories taken from doctor comments, Medline, and other reliable medical science sites. There is no evidence to support that it is anything other than a placebo. 3) Other information, including a heavily promoted website (may/may not be stated with the product) where you become an 'associate', earning $ on books to 'get the most' out of progesterone creams (Letter I, #2).

Always do thorough medical based research on anything (especially herbal products/supplements) you want to take that is given a reputation to alleviate, cure, treat or deal with a specific problem or problems. It may be in violation of the law, or there might be no evidence to support its doing any of the above.

www.quackwatch.com, http://www.quackfiles.com, http://quackbusters.quackfiles.com are good places to review all sorts of questionable health products and practices. For pretty reliable medical information, check out Medline (medical research abstracts), Medscape (http://www.medscape.com), and mdlinx.com (ob/gyn and endocrinology), and http://www.obgyn.net for medical research studies. Some of the medical journals can be searched for full text papers, some only allow an abstract for free. BMJ is about the only one I know that is permanently free.

Points to look for in medical research:

1) double blind study (meaning neither patient nor doctor knows what you are getting) 2) placebo controlled (compares drug against placebo or fake do nothing pill) 3) large number of study subjects 4) same repeatable results over different studies, different doctors with the above criteria 5) are published in peer reviewed journals that are associated with particular specialty associations (like ACOG)

If a doctor or website is recommended to you, check them out thoroughly before you take their advice.

-- Victoria

From: anonymous@obgyn.net (Angie)

>I have PCOS, and I have struggled with it for many years. I've tried everything and nothing has ever helped. But I recently found out that there is a relationship between having to much estrogen and hypothyroid. I found out at a class that there a two hormones in a woman's body that are supposed to work together- Estrogen and Progesterone. Estrogen is like the gas in our cars and Progesterone is like the brakes. Estrogen dominates the first half of our cycle and Progesterone is supposed to dominate the second half of our cycle. Progesterone is made in the ovary after the egg comes out when we ovulate.When we don't ovulate every month like we are supposed to we lack in progesterone. When we lack in progesterone it causes a lot of problems,Such as -hypothyroid,lack of blood sugar control,infertility, depression,fatigue,weight gain,PCOS,increased body hair,etc. I found out that you can't take progesterone in a pill because it is hard on your liver and if you go to the doctor! and ask for some progesterone they will give you something called Progestin.This is not the same Progesterone in our bodies. It is synthetic and fools our bodies into thinking we have progesterone without any benefits,but with side effects. So someone made a cream that you rub on your skin and your body absorbs the progesterone and is able to use it. I decided to try it. I first wnted to see if I was low in Progesterone .So I had a Saliva test done during the 2nd half of my cycle and I found out that I was low in progesterone. I decided to give the cream a try, I was desperate. I tried thre different kinds of cream and found one that really works! I felt better almost immediately. My depression lifted , my hypoglycemia felt better, I have regular periods , I ovulate every month,I'm not so emotional, My thyroid is working better. This was the answer to many prayers. You can Email the girl I buy this cream from at-- http://www.apriljoy@myarbonne.com

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