Re: have to ask about little red dots and risk of stroke with our
From: Barb (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:09 -0500 (CDT)
Renne,
Thank-you for you detailed explanation of the science of homeopathy.
I had been studying for a year and do know the theory.
Whether based on placebo effect or not,(don't want to make this long),it
works for many.The body recongnzes the substance although not even a
molecule will show up.The more diluted the potion,the more potent the
potion.This does sound impossible and my cousin who is a bio chemist is
really doing some testing on some of my remedies.
In England ,Germany and other European countries-Homeopathy is
prescribed by most doctors.
I understand that you are not pro homeopath,but I am.
To each their own.
The problem is finding the proper remedy for the WHOLE body,rather than
just addressing one or two problems.
It does take time.
I cannot tell you the difference it had made in my health back in 1999.
This was what interested me the most.
I could not digest most things,,I was wasting away.
I went to the homeopathy doctor here as a last resort,as nothing was
helping me.
Within three months..my hair had grown back,I had gained weight,got rid
of a terrible complexion and many of my other symptoms have disappeared.
As I had wrote in a former post,my tests for lupus,(done twice),have
come back negative.
THis *may* be coincidental,but I think there may be a mind body
connection as well.If you *believe* a medication is working,..it will!
Since I had bad reactions with most medications,if not all....this gave
me a feeling that I could help my body heal,rather than cause it more
problems.
I did go through trial and error and aggravation of symptoms.
If you are interested,I can send to you directly some good clinical
data.
Thanks for all your time Renne.
>
>Barbara,
>
>You certainly have a right to spend your money on anything you want to, and to
>consume what you want to. I just want to share a little about homeopathy, so
>you know exactly what you're spending your money on, and what you're consuming.
>
>The theory of homeopathy is that you take a substance that would produce the
>same effect you're trying to get rid of (the rule of similarity). Then, you
>dilute it, shake it hard, hit the container on the table, and repeat the
>dilution, shaking, and percussing process over and over and over. 6 to 30
>dilutions are commonly sold, with some even higher dilutions. Because of
>these dilutions, and the fact that a molecule can only be divided so much, the
>fact remains that nearly everything sold has no active ingredient. One lucky
>person out of several million may get that one molecule. The theory is that
>the shaking and pounding infuses the water with the energy or the essence of
>that molecule. That sounds like magical thinking to me. While it certainly
>won't hurt you, it won't help you, by the nature of the substance itself.
>Placebo effect for someone who believes in it may be great (the base placebo
>effect in the US is 30%, but it varies by country, the confidence of the
>practitioner, and the faith of the recipient in the provider and the treatment
>itself). Basically, it becomes the most expensive bottled water ever.
>
>The following is an interesting essay on an analysis of homeopathy, showing
>how large these dilutions are. There's also a link to an essay by Oliver
>Wendall Holmes, writting and presented 150 years ago, while Hannman was still writing.
>http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html
>
>There are some supporters who claim that the shaking and percussion affect the
>quantum state of the water. The James Randi Educational Foundation has a
>prize of over a million dollars to anyone who can prove telepathy, talking to
>the dead, ghosts, homeopathy, etc. There was one candidate a few years ago
>who claimed that sophisticated MRI and electrical testing could tell the
>difference between a homeopathic dilution and plain, untouched water. The
>location and equipment for the qualifying test was offered by the
>organization. However, the homeopathy supporter then backed down and did not
>accept the challenge. (This is not second-hand, distored information. I was
>a witness to this discussion.)
>
>I just did a medline search on "homeopathy." It gave me 8 pages of findings,
>but I only had time to look at 3 pages (60 entries). Most of them were
>letters to the editor, opinion or explanatory articles, veterinary articles,
>or in alternative medicine journals. The one I found in a conventional
>medical journal was poorly designed, with no control group, no placebo, and a
>self-selected sample population that would have had a trend towards
>alternative medicine and more faith in it (eg: more placebo effect).
>Conclusion: there is no recent reputable support for homeopathy.
>
>A couple years ago James Randi did a speech before Congress about
>complementary and alternative medicine. As he spoke about homeopathy he opened
>a bottle of an arsenic dilution meant to aid in sleep. He removed the seal
>and poured the whole bottle in his mouth. He did not drop dead from arsenic
>(as there likely wasn't even an atom in it), and he did not fall asleep from
>the arsenic's "energy". It did nothing to him, as one would expect of a
>bottle of pills with no active ingredient.
>
In reference to the above statement,you have to have the symptoms of
arsenic poisoning for the magical water to benefit you.If not,it won't
work.Like treats with like using substance.
Arsenic causes many things and taking it won't make you sleep if you
don't have ALL the classical symptoms of an arsenic patient.
>So, you can believe whatever you want, and spend your money as you see fit. I
>just wanted to share an alternative (science-based) view with you and others.
>
>Renee
>
>"Barb C." wrote:
>>
>>I am a firm believer in
>> homeopathy.It treats from the inside and does not mask the problems.I
>> was doing much better while on them,thus the reason I have returned to
>> their use.They pose no side effects whatsoever
><snip>
>>With a rash...you have to bring it out to get it our of your system..not
>> supress it.This is what homeopathy is.
>
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>Renee Cordrey, MSPT, MPH, CWS
>
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>Dwell in Possibility.
>--Emily Dickenson
>
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Sincerely,
Barb C.
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