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Re: UGH! Frustrated- Atikin's worked SO WELL last time, now what?!?!? INSULIN RESISTANCE DIET
From: anonymous (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:09:17 -0500 (CDT)
People are highly reccomending this book...check it out (I never could
do Atkins...too restrictive and made me feel gross)
"The Insulin Resistance Diet" (amazon books)
At Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Valerie wrote:
>
>I have set myself a deadline... I will be back on Gluc by the end of
>July (I just want to celebrate my birthday OFF the toilet :) so I'll
>wait until the celebrating is over! I am not as big as alot of the
>people I know, but I just don't seem to physically take to it too
>well... I have a large fram and I've been told I hide my weight
>reasonably well, but man can I get winded on stairs! I forget why my
>endo said XR was not such a good idea for me... I think because it's
>not in such a form that one could cut the pills and ramp up slowly... I
>was ramping up very slowly and still not feeling so hot... but she and
>I shoot straight from the hip in our discussions and I am sticking with
>the idea of conquering Gluc because it is the best treatment available
>(Actos and Avandia are not good during pregnancy under any
>circumstances) As far as things done to aggravate my Gluc experience, I
>can honestly say I was a very good girl... I have never been too fond
>of carbs in general, and though everyone seems to report a normal diet
>is 300 carbs a day or so, I doubt I've gone over 100 a day anymore than
>a handful of times in my adult life. I stuck with the Gluc for 3 months
>and even my doc as surprised I stuck it out so long because she said she
>rarely sees such discomfort as mine- but it is worth it... I just
>granted myself a break to try to get things back in order another way...
>becoming healthy has turned out to be quite to twisted journey!
>
>--
>Valerie
>
>At Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Kimberly wrote:
>>
>>Valerie, Pregnancy IS quite painful when you are large! I wasn't large
>>until the last couple of months after I'd gained 70 lbs - but wow it was
>>torture trying to sleep all night. I was on Vicodin the last two months
>>from the sheer pain of it all. I don't know if it was only weight
>>related, but whatever, I'm sure the weight made it worse - and walking
>>up the stairs was just almost too much the last few weeks. The knees
>>just about went out!!!! So be careful!!!! I wasn't expecting pregnancy
>>at all!
>>
>>No, I was not on Gluc when I started Atkins the second time (or the
>>first for that matter) It worked so well the first time that I figured I
>>would not seek medical care if I could get my body under control by
>>myself. It was only after so long on Atkins with no results that I
>>sought medical care. I do not know if the Gluc would have helped with
>>Atkins. It doesn't make SENSE that it would, as you should actually be
>>circumventing the entire insulin altogether with low carbing. I suppose
>>at this point it's worth a try though!
>>
>>Were you taking the Gluc XR? just want to make sure you tried that
>>instead of the regular, as many find it easier on the stomach. Also,
>>were you doing everything possible to help with the stomach problems
>>(i.e. taking it in the middle of your meals - avoiding excessive carbs
>>etc...)? How long did you stick with it?
>>
>>I had the most unbearable stomach gas for the first SIX MONTHS (which
>>caused the most painful burping I've ever experienced)!!! Wow, it was a
>>long period in my life. I just really wanted to lose the weight so
>>badly that I stuck with it and now I have NO side effects whatsoever.
>>This is somewhat speculative, but I would like to say that I had
>>moderate diarrhea after eating (although I'm not particularly bothered
>>by the runs because I always figure I can eat a little more to make up
>>for it!!!:) and I started taking the anti-depressant Wellbutrin (for a
>>smoking re-lapse actually, as it helps to stop smoking) Anyway, one of
>>the side effects of Wellbutrin is constipation - so after a week on
>>Wellbutrin the diarrhea was gone and I was as regular as the sun!!!
>>After stoping the Wellbutrin I have had no problems. So...if you are
>>also slightly depressed you might want to ask your dr. about it!!!!
>>
>>I was willing to do just about anything to lose weight, so sticking with
>>the Gluc was SO worth it to me. I can't believe with all the trouble it
>>gave me for so long, that now it gives me no trouble at all. I do think
>>the body must get used to it. (I'm not very vain, I just didn't want to
>>live my life with all the trouble the excess weight was causing to me
>>physically and mentally.)
>>
>>>From my experience I would honestly recommend that you get back on the
>>gluc (if only for the protection it gives you from an untimely heart
>>attack or stroke) and get on a balanced eating program that you can live
>>with for an extended period of time without all the variables the
>>low-carb seems to have. I have had the most success with the ediets and
>>find it incredibly easy to use, and very easy to modify into a
>>semi-low-carb diet, or low glycemic diet anyway. Sit down with yourself
>>and decide just how much you want to get better and improve your quality
>>of life. If you feel ready, then try the gluc again but make sure you
>>are doing EVERYTHING possible to help make it easier to succeed. Read
>>the archives on this board to find what helps other women deal with the
>>side effects,(and try them all!) make sure you are taking the XR, and
>>find out what other meds you can take to help with the side effects. Get
>>on a 'lower' calorie diet full of fruits and vegetables and simply enjoy
>>the process of getting better. It can seem like a long road, but once
>>you have traveled down it a while, it so quickly disappears behind you.
>>
>>This disease is not your fault, but failing to treat it in every way
>>possible is.
>>
>>If you can't handle the Gluc, then try Avandia or Actos. You owe it to
>>yourself and your family to do everything you can to prevent serious
>>complications. Obviously your risk for Diabetes is astounding and if
>>you are continuing to gain weight there is a good chance you could have
>>it sooner than you'd expect. (For some reason, the more I weigh the
>>faster the weight literally pours on!) And please try to get SOME
>>exercise, no matter how hard it may seem at first. If you are really
>>large the good news is that everything you do is actually using up a lot
>>of energy. I know sometimes it feels as if you are not accomplishing
>>anything if you just take a walk down the street or to the mailbox, but
>>you are accomplishing just as much as a little person accomplishes when
>>they walk around the whole block twice!!!!!:) exercise or even a mild
>>increase in activity can help the insulin resistance so much, and if you
>>do remain on Atkins - exercise could burn up any extra calories you may
>>be getting.
>>(Richard Simmons tapes are pretty fat friendly if you haven't tried them
>>yet. Annoying yes, but ridiculously challenging, no. He's grown on me
>>anyway, and you can get them cheap on Ebay)
>>
>>Well, I truly hope the best for you, and if I can help you in anyway
>>feel free to email me.
>>
>>--
>>Kimberly
>>
>>At Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Valerie wrote:
>>>
>>>OMG! SO I am not alone in my lacking success on the 2nd round of Atkins!
>>>(Which only mashes into my psyche how stupid I was for going off in the
>>>first place!)UGH! I am not a big fan of exercise (never had to do it
>>>with Atkin's last time) I am simply too rotund for exercise... I have
>>>the physical capacity of a slug and the figure of an elephant! G-d I
>>>have wanted to conceive for so long and now I am just terrified that
>>>this diet could make me conceive (I am too huge for that! I hate stairs
>>>now, could you imagine what would be in store for me if I was pg!?!?!?!
>>>I am just being honest here... this is the ultimate travesty of mixed
>>>feelings! Atkins does seem to have restored my cycle if nothing else...
>>>I have had 2 in 6 weeks *like* a normal girl! I have never had to worry
>>>about birth control- what in the world would that be like for the first
>>>time in my life!)
>>>
>>>Kimberely- just out of curiousity, when you were on Atkins the second
>>>time were you also on Gluc? I have access to Gluc that I had taken a
>>>break from and I am wondering if adding in that torture would be
>>>worthwhile... wondering if it would help the Atkin's process to kick
>>>back into full gear and cause weight loss... were you monitoring your
>>>ketosis? I have supposedly been well into ketosis for a month and only 4
>>>pounds misplaced...
>>>
>>>At Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Kimberly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I too had NO luck losing on Atkins the second time around. I finally
>>>>had to see an Endo so I could try to get the weight off. My endo told
>>>>me that it is common not to have success on a very low carb diet the
>>>>second time around. I didn't beleive her at the time (I thought she was
>>>>just a low-carb cynic) But perhaps there is some truth to it. I did end
>>>>up having a minor thyroid problem, so that COULD have prevented weight
>>>>loss - but I don't think that was all. I remember the first time I was
>>>>on the diet I lost my appetite completely - but the second time around I
>>>>constantly craved sweets and was a lot hungrier than the first time. I
>>>>think perhaps my calories were just a little too high to lose much more
>>>>than 2 or 3 lbs. a month (and 2 or 3 pounds is just not worth all that
>>>>suffering!) Since then I have gotten on Glucophage and follow a diet
>>>>close to ediets (ediets.com I believe) and have lost 50 lbs. and it was
>>>>a total breeze - no suffering whatsoever!!!!. It wasn't low carb, but I
>>>>figure with the glucophage it was most important that I simply LOSE
>>>>weight no matter how I do it. They do have a low sugar plan available.
>>>>I'm not trying to be thier advocate - but it is one heck of a great
>>>>program, cheaper than any other weight loss program - and it really
>>>>really really works! I was so strict on Atkins too - so I know how
>>>>frustrated you must be. The second time I dieted religously over 4
>>>>months and lost very little weight - I just feel really bad now that I
>>>>kept up with something for that long that wasn't working - when I could
>>>>have lost a lot more on a different program in that period of time. I
>>>>think if you are on a regular weight loss program, as opposed to low
>>>>carb, and you exercise regularly that you can still lessen the symptoms
>>>>of PCOS. A restricted calorie diet cures my sugar cravings better than
>>>>the low carb did - which I find suprising. I just remembered that in
>>>>addition to not losing any weight, the low carb diet the second time
>>>>around didn't help any of my symptoms - and the first time around it
>>>>darn near cured them all. (I had to stop the first time around because
>>>>I became pregnant after being on Atkins for 2 months - so I guess if I
>>>>was infertile, it cured that too!) It's a mystery I suppose - but in the
>>>>end, if it's not working, put your time and energy into something that
>>>>will.
>>>>Sorry this is so disjointed, I just had a lot of thoughts! :)
>>>>
>>>>YOu can also try meticuously adding up your daily calories on Atkins -
>>>>and if it's above around 1800 or below 1200 you might want to make some
>>>>adjustments. I really do think several days a week I was simply having
>>>>too many calories to lose weight- I just REALLY wanted to believe in the
>>>>calories don't matter philosophy.
>>>>
>>>>good luck!
>>>>
>>>>At Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Valerie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the ideas... I do NO white rice, NO flour... 10-15 carbs
>>>>>per day max... I am just mystified that there seems to be very little
>>>>>progress as I am so so so strict (AND DEPRIVED!)
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>ValerieC
>>>>>
>>>>>At Thu, 4 Jul 2002, Beth wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have you tried just replacing your white rice or white/bleached flour
>>>>>>with wheat/brown/whole grain similar items?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My fav low/reduced carb recipes (Does well in the fridge)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Taco Casserole (minus the Taco LOL)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1 pound Lean Ground Beef
>>>>>>Mexican Seasoning (McCormick)
>>>>>>Variety of shredded cheese
>>>>>>Sour Cream
>>>>>>Lettuce
>>>>>>Optional: Sliced black olives and tomatoes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fry ground beef until brown mix in Mexican seasoning to taste... drain.
>>>>>>In glass baking dish layer the following... ground beef, olives, cheese
>>>>>>until near the top of dish. End with cheese.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bake at 350-400 until cheese is melted. Remove from oven and let sit
>>>>>>for a few minutes. Cut into squares, top with tomatoes, sour cream and
>>>>>>lettuce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Breakfast- Egg squares (fridges well too)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>6-12 eggs
>>>>>>Cream
>>>>>>shredded cheese
>>>>>>Meat (sausage, bacon...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In a glass baking dish scramble eggs, add cream and whip. Fry meat
>>>>>>until done or almost done. Add to egg mix along with a touch of cheese.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bake at 350 until almost done, top with cheese and finish baking.
>>>>>>Figuring out when it's finished cooking can be tricky as it really
>>>>>>'fluffs' up. Just keep a close eye on it. Let cool, cut into squares.
>>>>>>Can be nuked, I make 1 weeks worth at a time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Other fast ideas... pork chops, hamburger patty, chicken breast with a
>>>>>>little bit of veggies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brain is fried because of the heat, I'll let you know if I think of
>>>>>>anything else!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Beth
>>>>>>
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