Re: sclerotherapy--was PCOS--too much estrogen or too much testosterone?
From: Linda (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:49:31 -0500 (CDT)
Hi,
Sclerotherapy is a medical procedure that gets rid of spider veins.
Involves injections. Here is a link that explains how this works:
http://www.veintreatmentcenter.com/mt_index.html
--
Linda
At Tue, 18 Jun 2002, anonymous wrote:
>
>Hi Linda and Anonymous,
>I am also a Northern NJ native and suspect that I have PCOS. I was
>reading your e-mails and I also have the really large blue veins close
>to the surface. I had this for five years. My mother saw them once and
>was horrified. I am not on bcps now either. Actually, I am trying to
>get my doc to prescribe Metformin.
>What is sclerotherapy?
>
>At Mon, 17 Jun 2002, anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>
>>Linda -
>>
>>I never heard of sclerotherapy...no, I'm not bcp's right now. i don't know
>>where this came from. Very weird.
>>
>>Anonymous
>>
>>In a message dated 6/14/2002 11:50:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>anonymous@medispecialty.com writes:
>>
>>> Subj:Re: PCOS--too much estrogen or too much testosterone?
>>> Date:6/14/2002 11:50:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>>> From:<A HREF="mailto:anonymous@medispecialty.com">anonymous@medispecialty.com</A>
>>> Reply-to:<A HREF="mailto:pcos@obgyn.net">pcos@obgyn.net</A>
>>> To:<A HREF="mailto:pcos@mail.medispecialty.com">pcos@mail.medispecialty.com</A>
>>> Sent from the Internet
>>>
>>> Hi Anonymous,
>>> Wow, we are neighbors. I live in the nyc area.
>>> I meant having the veins fixed, thinking of sclerotherapy. Are you
>>> familiar with this or thinking about it too? They're really bothering me
>>> b/c I think they are getting worse. It's rainy and cold today though
>>> and they are lighter. :) btw, I heard that taking bcps makes them
>>> worse. Are you on any right now? I was but stopped for a couple of
>>> months alreeady. I thought they would fade, but that didn't happen.
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> At Thu, 13 Jun 2002, anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Hey Linda -
>>> >
>>> >Yes, I live in NJ.
>>> >
>>> >I don't have pain, although, I do have Costrocondritis - inflamation
>>> between
>>> >the rib cages. The Costrochondritis is sometimes painful/sore, so I might
>>> >not notice if the "blue veins" were giving me physical discomfort. My
>>> legs
>>> >ache everyday....I can feel small cyst-like things undereneath, but I was
>>> >told it's nothing (of course, I must be imagining it). I have also been
>>> >retaining water in my legs/toes/feet for several months and have recently
>>> >been taking Lasix for it, which doesn't seem to really help much. Of
>>> course,
>>> >the humidity in NJ lately hasn't helped at all with the swelling. In
>>> >additon, I have sciatica, which is a complete joy...;) The pain/lack of
>>> >comfort in my legs is constant, regardless of if I am standing or
>>> >sitting...although it does feel a little worse when I am sitting in my
>>> office
>>> >chair - I am assuming because my legs aren't up.
>>> >
>>> >You mention "having them fixed"...having WHAT fixed?
>>> >
>>> >Anonymous
>>> >
>>> >In a message dated 6/13/2002 3:28:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> >anonymous@medispecialty.com writes:
>>> >
>>> >> Subj:Re: PCOS--too much estrogen or too much testosterone?
>>> >> Date:6/13/2002 3:28:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>> >> From:<A HREF="mailto:anonymous@medispecialty.com">anonymous@medispecialty.com</A>
>>> >> Reply-to:<A HREF="mailto:pcos@obgyn.net">pcos@obgyn.net</A>
>>> >> To:<A HREF="mailto:pcos@mail.medispecialty.com">pcos@mail.medispecialty.com</A>
>>> >> Sent from the Internet
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Anonymous,
>>> >> Same here. I have them across my breats too and same thing happens when
>>> >> I get out of a shower, especially a hot shower and I also notice that
>>> >> they get darker when the weather gets hot and humid. Do you feel any
>>> >> physical discomfort? Does yor legs ache or anything , specially when
>>> >> when you sit or stand too long? I am contemplating having them fixed.
>>> >> btw, do you live in the new york area?
>>> >>
>>> >> Linda
>>> >>
>>> >> At Thu, 13 Jun 2002, anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Holy Cow!!! I have those same very blue veins as well. They used to
>>> be
>>> >> much
>>> >> >much lighter...now they are so blue that you HAVE to notice them!!! I
>>> >> >thought it was just me...not knowing what made them that way. I have
>>> some
>>> >> >right across my breasts...when I get out of the shower, they are even
>>> more
>>> >> >noticeable.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Anonymous
>>> >> >
>>> >> >In a message dated 6/13/2002 12:31:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> >> >anonymous@medispecialty.com writes:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Subj:Re: PCOS--too much estrogen or too much testosterone?(to Belle)
>>> >> >> Date:6/13/2002 12:31:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>> >> >> From:<A HREF="mailto:anonymous@medispecialty.com">anonymous@medispecialty.com</A>
>>> >> >> Reply-to:<A HREF="mailto:pcos@obgyn.net">pcos@obgyn.net</A>
>>> >> >> To:<A HREF="mailto:pcos@mail.medispecialty.com">pcos@mail.medispecialty.com</A>
>>> >> >> Sent from the Internet
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi Belle,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> So this means that if one has too much estrogen in the body, it can
>>> get
>>> >> >> converted into testosterone as well?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I was just confused b/c when I started noticing my pcos symptoms, I
>>> also
>>> >> >> noticed that a lot of the veins on my arms and legs were becoming
>>> >> >> visible (this didn't happen with time. it just happened like within
>>> 2
>>> >> >> months, which scared me), not spider veins but the larger ones that
>>> are
>>> >> >> deeper down than the fine spider veins that I see in older people. I
>>> >> >> don't think they are varicose veins either b/c they don't
>>> bulge...just
>>> >> >> visible blue veins. Anyway, I heard that they can be caused by
>>> excess
>>> >> >> estrogen in the body. My periods also changed all of a sudden. I
>>> used
>>> >> >> to get irregular bleeding and when I did get my periods, they were
>>> >> >> HEAVY, but it got really light all of a sudden. A couple of months
>>> >> >> later, I got my hormones tested and my estrogen levels were normal
>>> and I
>>> >> >> had high (total and free)testosterone levels. So, I was just thought
>>> >> >> maybe the estrogens in my body are being converted into
>>> testosterone...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Linda
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> At Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Belle wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Testosterone and estrogen are both steroids. They are chemically
>>> very
>>> >> >> >similar to one another. Testosterone can be converted easily into
>>> >> >> >estrogen in the fat cells. PCOS'ers do not necessarily produce too
>>> >> much
>>> >> >> >estrogen (but they can since there is nothing to oppose the
>>> >> production).
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Our bodies are a system of checks and balances. If one thing is out
>>> of
>>> >> >> >whack, it can affect many other things in our bodies.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >At Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Linda wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Can someone clarify for me? Read in this forum some women saying
>>> that
>>> >> >> >>pcos'ers are producing too much estrogen. What about the
>>> testosterone
>>> >> >> >>side effects? Is it too much estrogens causing the elevated
>>> >> testosterone
>>> >> >> >>levels? confused.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>--
>>> >> >> >>Linda
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >--
>>> >> >> >Hope this helps,
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Belle
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>>
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