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Re: Health Care-well said, Pat (long)
From: anonymous (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:34:17 -0500 (CDT)
Thank you Sonnet, Pat, and Annon, for trying to educate Dumb Hubby and
the rest of those ignorant of the healthcare system/economy in Europe.
The europeans get much more for their tax dollars than we do here in the
U.S.. Unfortunately, in the U.S., we have too many selfish,
self-centered people like Dumb Hubby and Genny who are committed to
blocking a healthcare system which would benefit all -- a rising tide
lifts all boats.
At Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Annon wrote:
>
>That is well said. I agree 100% about the potential for cost savings by
>providing universal care. I wanted to add that people in countries like
>France and Sweden do not mind paying higher taxes for health care (and
>child care and education!)because these things lead to a more prosperous
>and healthy community as a whole. It benefits eveyone by lowereing
>crime rates, stimulating the economy, etc. Further, I believe from
>experience in Sweden that medical care is better. I believe diagnoses
>are made faster and more accurately, and that there
>is less ancillary spending trying to figure out a diagnoses. They seem
>to be better educated, take more time with the patient, and actually
>enjoy medicine for medicine. (this is not to say American doctor's
>aren't good, I think they are just victims of a hostaged healthcare
>system, too many patients (McMedicine), and burn out. In France, you
>sit for an hour in the doctor's office just talking before you are even
>examined.They then have a better idea of what tests to order instead of
>spending more money to exclude things like they do here, frequently. I
>can't help but to think that I wouldn't have suffered so much had I gone
>to a doctors who listened to me
>first. I have spend thousands and thousands of dollars (and so has my
>insurence company) on misdiagnoses , doctor shopping to get someone to
>take me seriously, having unnessary tests, etc. Ironically, a doctor
>from Sweden who was here in the states temporarilly, diagnosed all of my
>problems in one pop with only a couple inexpensive tests. (then, it got
>expensive, but still less than all of the doctor shopping and other
>tests)She was up to date on the research, and was
>the most competent doctor I had seen in a long time. The countries with
>socialized health care are doing something right.
>Anyway, thank you for the great post!
>
>At Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Pat wrote:
>>
>>In my opinion, Health care should be an entitlement, and not linked to .
>>Everyone should have the basic coverage that covers routine screening
>>and reasonable management. The US is one of the only countries where
>>this is the case (that not everyone has insurance) In countries that
>>have universal health care, the health statistics well document better
>>outcomes. I'm taking about longevity and birth statistics specifically.
>>If we had basic health care, folks would get basic care, and wouldn't
>>need to use the emergency room so much. One of the reasons we have such
>>high medical costs (about 14 % of our budget) is because what is
>>mis-managed. Other countries spend < 10% on health care, with better
>>outcomes. They also spend more time and money on prevention, which
>>seems to be a lesser priority in the USA. Cost savings come from
>>providing more efficient care, and appropriate/improved use of resources
>>
>>--
>>Pat Sonnenstuhl, ARNP, CNM, MS
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