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Re: PCOS--too much estrogen or too much testosterone?
From: Mark (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:53:15 -0500
I was first dx hypothyroid in 1997 and not testes for IR. I was having
heavy periods sometimes I bled most of the month. I had an ultra sound that
showed a cyst. Treatment was BCP. Then one evening I was in major pain and
went to the emergency room. The cyst had ruptured. With in the next 1.5
years I had two more rupture. I was taken off BCP after 3 months because my
blood pressure went to high. In 1999 I was to have a tubal ligation, The
Gyn that performed the surgery found me full of endometriosis. I was only
altered on my right side. He warned me it was so bad, to mention it to
anyone ever doing surgery. I had more problems and went on Depo Lupron
shots for 6 months. This puts you into artificial menopause, reducing the
estrogen. I had relief. After the 6 months I went on Orthotricyclene, the
plan was for me to be on it for 5 years to transition me into menopause.
Endometriosis needs estrogen to thrive. I was on the pill for 6 months, in
that time my blood pressure went up, add rx., my triglyserides and
cholesterol went up, add rx. I was being treated for adult acne and
glaucoma at this time also. I read an article on PCOS in Dec 2000, I had
gained 70 pounds and I still had problems. I went off the pill in Jan.
Started low carbing and demanded a referral to a Endo. My Doctor of 3 years
had me in to check my blood pressure and at this visit SHE was telling me I
showed heart blockage and needed a heart Cath. When I pointed out I took the
test on PCOSupport.org and thought this was me she said "maybe you do have
PCOS." She had been treating me for six problems all related to PCOS. I
fired her!! She even had removed skin tags. I had a period in Jan. and non
since. I'm 48 and perimenopausal. I traded my period for hot flashes. I
don't know the status of my Endometriosis and I haven't had any cysts
rupture. I was DX IR/PCOS this March, started taking Glucophage 500mg for 1
week then 1000mg, 8 weeks later 1000mg 2 times a day. I had lost 24 pounds
and struggle with keeping them off. I have 50 to 75 more to go. I have a
great Endo but I need to find a primary doctor again. I'm interested in any
info on endometriosis and IR/PCOS.
Clara
>----- Original Message -----
From: "anonymous" <anonymous@obgyn.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list PCOS" <anonymous@obgyn.net>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: PCOS--too much estrogen or too much testosterone?
> I think Cat hit the nail on the head -- Cat, I agree with you/your
> theory completely. I was first symptomatic of pcos before becoming
> symptomatic of endo.
>
> At Fri, 14 Jun 2002, cat wrote:
> >
> >I agree with Kristy. I don't know of any literature supporting the
> >theory, but since pcos causes estrogen dominance and estrogen dominance
> >causes/encourages endo I wouldn't be surprised if the two are linked.
> >
> >Also some scientists think the increase in female reproductive disorders
> >and male infertility is linked to the large amounts of estrogenic
> >chemicals in the environment. These xenoestrogens are defintitely
> >effecting animal populations (in one study here in the UK 50% of male
> >fish in a certain river were found to be feminised by xenoestrogens),
> >and so are probably effecting humans too. Endo is particularly
> >sensitive to these estrogenic chemicals. And I remember reading a study
> >on medline from europe (Germany I think) which linked increased cases of
> >pcos with the introduction of DDT, which happens to be estrogenic.
> >
> >--
> >Cat xxx
> >
> >At Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Renee wrote:
> >>
> >>Just because several women have both endo and PCOS does not mean they
are
> >>related. If both are common, then it would be expected that there
would be
> >>some amount of overlap between them.
> >>
> >>What percentage of women in the general population have endo? What
percentage
> >>of PCOS women have endo? If the numbers are approximately the same
(within
> >>a margin of error), then there is not a connection. However, if the
number is
> >>greatly higher in one group, then there is either an increased or
decreased
> >>liklihood of endo for PCOS-ers (depending on which way the difference
goes).
> >>
> >>I just did a Medline search for "endometriosis and PCOS and prevalence,"
and
> >>also with PCOS spelled out. There were no articles that have looked at
this,
> >>that I could find. It's an area for research.
> >>
> >>However, there is currently no support for a link between the two.
> >>
> >>Renee
> >>
> >>Kristy Sokoloski wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jodi,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks. Unfortunately there has to be a connection between the
> >>> two. As to what it is who knows. Nearly 100 million women have
> >>> Endo and of that group there are women that have both PCOS and
> >>> Endo at the same time. It's becoming more and more common to
> >>> see for some reason. And then out of all that is an even
> >>> smaller group that has Vulvodynia in addition to the PCOS and
> >>> endo.
> >>>
> >>> Oh well, there's no doubt that there's still so much to learn.
> >>> But yes I can see what you are saying about the fact that we get
> >>> these b/c we are women.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again, I was just curious.
> >>>
> >>> P.S. I don't know how many women on the board have both PCOS and
> >>> Endo but I know it's been discussed several times in the past
> >>> which makes me wonder what is going on.
> >>>
> >>> =====
> >>> Kristy :)
> >>>
> >>> http://www.geocities.com/sokokl/kristyspersonalpage.html
> >>>
> >>> Hoping to be a nurse soon but for now just a Medical Secretary who
does a lot of learning from reading on the Net, books, my dr(s), as well as
sharing my own personal experiences.
> >>>
> >>> http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
> >>>
> >>--
> >>--------------
> >>Renee Cordrey, MSPT, MPH, CWS
> >>
> >>---
> >>Dwell in Possibility.
> >>--Emily Dickenson
> >>
>
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