Re: depression/anxiety/ocd
From: anonymous (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:36:42 -0500 (CDT)
Belle and all,
Let's just ignore this latest verbal assault by anonymous. The flamers
are not worth answering. There has been enough discord on this forum
this week. When we see this obvious attempt to insinuate nastiness,
please just ignore it. We are all productive, intelligent, well-meaning
people. Please let the flamers be. We can make a complaint to the
editors if that anonymous person continues to make such nasty
remarks...the editors can still block her/him from posting. Please,
please ignore them.
Thanks!
At Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Belle wrote:
>
>After having been involved with and designed medical research since
>1989, I agree that in order for a study to be relevant the study needs
>to be repeated. I do not know the exact number of studies going on but
>there are a couple of which I am aware.
>
>By taking a poll on this site, we are doing nothing but wasting space
>(think about the poor ladies who get the digest!). I make this
>statement for a couple of reasons: 1) this issue comes up every couple
>of months, on this board just as it did the board before it. Nothing
>has been solved, nothing has been proven. 2) There would be a number of
>women who would not respond, others who would want to increase the
>numbers and respond anonymously more than once. This is a danger of all
>unregulated polls. 3) Women who are affluent are more like to have been
>diagnosed with mental disorders and are also more likely to have
>computers and internet access, therefore women on this site are more
>likely to have been diagnosed. 4) There are no qualifiers. Without
>some limits on the question, it is moot. You would be very likely to
>get many false positives. 5) The number of negatives could not be
>accurately counted, based on the original question and therefore could
>be under or over counted. In order to see if there is a problem linking
>PCOS with mental disorders, an accurate count must be done then compared
>to the average. It is only a problem if the precentage is higher than
>the percentage of like individuals in the general public (female
>adults).
>
>The *fact* is that PCOS has been around for a long, long time and mental
>disorders in women is NOT virgin territory. Psychologists or
>psychiatrists would not have to know the specifics of the disorder in
>order to provide treatment. It would be enough to know the symptoms of
>the individual involved. A good psychologist or psychiatrist would work
>with your GYN or GP if it was suspected that a physical problem was
>involved (such as hair loss, infertility, etc.)
>
>Many women have PCOS and are not depressed, anxious nor do they have
>obsessive-compulsive disorder. You do not have to have PCOS in order to
>be overweight, infertile, have Type II diabetes, or to have hair loss.
>While the situation is not ideal, it does not necessarily mean that
>these people will develop a mental disorder.
>
>Quite a few women with PCOS also have other disorders as well. Some
>women have PCOS & cancer, some women have PCOS & blood disorders, some
>women have PCOS & musculoskeletal disorders, some women have PCOS &
>lupus, some women have PCOS & multiple sclerosis, some have PCOS and
>chronic pain. Those are just some of the things that I am aware of that
>are on this board. Only a couple of months ago a woman from here was
>getting some pre-op bloodwork done so that she could have surgery that
>would help her get pregnant. She found out that she had a problem that
>would lead to her death within a decade. Do I think that she suffered
>from depression? You bet! Was it related to PCOS? No, but she had PCOS
>and would be able to answer this poll with a "yes".
>
>Is it the hormones that cause women with PCOS to have mental disorders?
>No. Teenagers have hormone imbalances that are the things of
>nightmares. Many teenagers have not been been diagnosed with mental
>disorders. Most women have hormone fluctuations every month. Are they
>all depressed? A hormone problem, by and of itself cannot be held as
>responsible either.
>
>Is it possible that simply having the symptoms of PCOS is responsible
>for women having depression? No. Otherwise, every woman with these
>symptoms would need medication. It is the way the women with these
>symptoms handle the symptoms. You can not rule out the possiblity that
>you are feeling better on the Glucophage and the BCP because you are
>taking more control over your health.
>
>While it may be a good thought, it does not help. With actual research
>already in the works, we have much more accurate information on the way.
>All we have to do is wait for the results. Sorry to be the bearer of
>bad news.
>
>At Thu, 11 Apr 2002, anonymous wrote:
>>
>>A COUPLE STUIDIES GOING ON? There will have to be more than a couple studies to determine if there is a definite link.I think a proper way to determine for our own sakes -is to see how may women with PCOS are depressed,OCD,Anxiety disorders.We don't have to post our names if we feel that there is a stigma attached to being depressed and/ or having some type of mental disorder.Why don't we just take a poll.Let's make our own little test.Surely,there are enough of us on this forum to come to some conclusion.
>>The FACT is that little is known about PCOS.This is still virgin territory for most specialists.Most psychiatrists -psychologists don't even know what this syndrome is.
>>
>>So here is my answer-I have been depressed since I began
>>menestrating.That was twenty years ago.Since being on Glucophage and
>>Yasmine-I am not nearly as depressed.I have taken anti-depressants since
>>I was fifteen.I never got relief for a day.Being
>>fat,unfertile,hairy,male pattern baldness,type two diabetes from
>>untreated IR -I think it would stand to reason why I have been depressed
>>most of my life.
>>
>>If you look at the pattern-most depression started out during
>>puberty.Highly likely that there is some definite link.Just give it a
>>few more years.And for a moment-don't disregard the fact that the
>>pharmeceutical companies are onto this syndrome like a dirty shirt.They
>>are one step ahead of doctors-two steps ahead of us.
>>
>>>At Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Maggie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Does anyone with PCOS also take medication for depression or other
>>>>mental disorders? Did you take these before or after being diagnosed?
>>>>Thanks for helping me figure some of this out.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>M.M.
>
>--
>Just to clarify,
>
>Belle
>
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