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Re: quitting Glucophage???!!(Victoria/Sonnet)

From: anonymous@obgyn.net
Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:25:58 -0500


> From: Thatsmy2cents@aol.com (Valerie)

Valerie, is there a reason to shout at me or others who get on this board for your issues? I notice you use a lot of capital letters, which netiquette equates with screaming.

> WHOA, WHOA, WAIT A MINUTE!!!
>
> Victoria... I HAVE TO SAY I AM STANDING UP AND EXPRESSING MY PROTEST TO
> WHAT YOU SAID.... I know we do not all have to agree, and that is not
> what the board is for, but it comes off like you are disciplining Sonnet
> for her 2 cents...
>

No I wasn't. Had you have asked me before you started to attack me, I would have let you know that. I was stating what might or maybe happen if the person decides to take an action suggested. I meant mine in the same spirit as what Sonnet originally posted her email - as a help. My apologies to Sonnet if she takes it that way.

> MIGHT I REMIND YOU- "I'm not a doctor, and your fertility specialist is"
> is the fist thing she said! The Gluc/Met debate is a raging one with
> respect to pregnancy... but ultimately the end responsibility lies with
> the Mama to be... she needs to do HER research and decide what will
> make her most comfortable.

Sounds like you are doing the same thing to me, that you accused me of doing to Sonnet. I have advocated before that each person do what's comfortable - even in the midst of BCP/PCOS issues, which most people disagree with here. Pointing out different advice to that is no different.

> Having miscarried myself once, and knowing that there are no recorded
> birth defects related to Gluc/Met,

I am looking up one resource where achrondroplasia happened to someone on Metformin.

> I would personally stay on Gluc, but
> the Mama to be in each situation has to make this decision for herself
> knowing that if she loses this baby and was off Gluc she wil probably
> regret it for the rest of her life (I know I would)

That also includes taking it in the third trimester of pregnancy? That is where I've seen the only listed problems, outside of no long term studies on the results of taking it. Besides, we have no 100% proof that all miscarriages can be saved by Metformin. I think all of the women on the infertility boards regret losing every baby, no matter what the circumstance. I believe each woman tries the best she can to keep her baby.

> And another thing... as "great" as the medical profession has
> historically done by us PCOSufferers, letting us suffer with just BCP's
> because it's what's easiest UNLESS WE FIGHT, I know that the vast
> majority of the med profession is SO FAR REMOVED FROM OUR INDIVIDUAL
> NEEDS AND PAINS THAT THEY WOULD NOT GIVE A DAMN if Mama miscarried
> because they were too lazy to research the Gluc/Met pregnancy issue
> themselves on behalf of one patient.

So you are biased against the medical profession? I submit that this is not a 'us vs. them' unless the people involved make it out to be. I have found that BCP can be a valid use for PCO women. I've found that for a vast majority, doctors, approached in the same respectful and team work manner we want, will work with us in regards to health problems. I can't expect every doctor to know every health problem out there. PCOS affects 5 to 10% of reproductive age women. That's not a majority of their patients for internal/FP people. For ob/gyn's, they are probably only just getting taught about Metformin and PCO. What we can expect is to find a doctor who is willing to listen and learn from their own articles, given the chance. That's up to us. I never put the responsibility on a doctor to know or do everything. Its my health, and my responsibility to look after it. If it means doing my own research, so be it. Again, my experience has been that, approached respectfully, most doctors would be happy to have a person pass on to them a group of articles.

> FYI- Even if I didn't agree with Sonnet, I would say you stepped over a
> line with your insinuations.

I would say you've done a number of your own in this email. I've disagreed with you, but tried to do it respectfully, without yelling at you, and explaining.

> If you are not comfortable with the fact
> that this site is for adults who must ultimately be responsible for
> their own decisions, then perhaps you aren't comfy here...

Perhaps I advocate things that women don't want to hear. If you don't like what I say, ignore it, as I have a number of others' posts on different subjects. I'm not leaving just because I don't advocate the party line, and I won't be intimidated as I know people on this board have tried to do to others. I'm wise to the fact that a number of people have tried to use different methods to silence me on things.

> after all,
> it's a pretty basic recommendation on this site to start your Gluc/Met
> slowly even though it is never prescribed that way... just because this
> particular issue today is pregnancy, does not mean anything is any
> different, the situation still rests with the individual adult who
> sought advice making the decision for herself (and why would she seek
> advice if she was so sure the doctors were right to take her
> Gluc/met!?!?!?!?!)

Because many people seek a second opinion on important decisions.

As for my comments, please ask the original question and responses over on the women's health board. I can, if no one else wants too. Then ask whether or not a doctor can consider having them leave the practice for what was advocated. It would be an option. I'm sorry you take issue with it. I stand by what I said.

Victoria




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