Re: Okay-Here I go again..question about Soy Products..... TO BELLE
From: Anne (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:59:29 -0600 (CST)
Belle,
There seems to be support for both sides of the argument on high protein
diets and their effects. Because kidney disease and diabetes runs in my
family, and because I felt absolutely sick on high protein I haven't
done more research on the issue - I just decided it wasn't for me. I
have read articles and books that reference studies on high protein
diets, but in all honest, I don't have the time to look them up and post
them, and don't want to take the role of advocate for one side against
another side.
Probably the truth is that some diets will work better for some people
than others. Who knows? I'm just keeping my fingers cross that I've
selected the right course for me, when I have time I read, I try to
listen to my body and re-adjust as necessary.
:^)
At Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Belle wrote:
>
>I have looked in research journals in the past for evidence of damage
>related to low carb diets. I have not found any. If there is something
>that you have found something, it would be great if you would share it
>with us all.
>
>On the contrary, high protein diets are becoming more and more
>recommended for diabetics. The recommended diet plan has been changed
>gradually over the last few years and is scheduled to undergo further
>changes.
>
>While we have a 40% chance of developing diabetes by age 40, we have a
>60% chance of developing diabetes by age 50.
>
>Research includes: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/65/4/1027
>(This is from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, they found
>that insulin and triglycerides were higher in higher carbohydrate diets
>but HDLs were lower.)
>http://atvb.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/12/8/911 (This one is
>from Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis and Vascular Biology, they reviewed 27
>controlled studies that were done between 1970 & 1991, the result was
>that HDLs increased when dietary fat replaced carbohydrates).
>
>The early study on calcium loss with high protein diets was disproven in
>repeat studies. I posted some information below. I do not remember
>what I posted but here are a couple that I think are different. H.
>Spencer and L. Kramer. Factors Contributing to Osteoporosis. Jnl of
>Nutr, 1986, 116:316-319 (This one from the Journal of Nutrition does not
>have a link on the web that I can find, but this is the information that
>would be necessary to find the article),
>http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/37/6/924 (This one from the
>American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
>
>No one is doubting the good qualities of a diet that is high in fiber
>but without research, we cannot dismiss the low carb diet out of hand.
>We also cannot rely on vague articles, we need to find the truth.
>
>I am not trying to change your mind, just looking for proof. :-)
>
>At Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Anne wrote:
>>
>>At Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Belle wrote:
>>>
>>>Anne, I would be interested in any research that you have that proves
>>>actual damage to the kidneys from a high protein diet. I am not aware
>>>of any tests that actually indicate this.
>>
>>Go to http://www.google.com and enter the search words: "high protein"
>>kidney
>>
>>Did you know that high protein diets are not recommended for folks with
>>diabetes? IR is just a hop skip and a jump away (those of us with IR
>>have a 50% of getting diabetes in our life time).
>>
>>There is also research indicating that high protein diets can lead to
>>calcium loss and osteoporosis. People on low protein diets have lower
>>incidence of osteoporosis than those on high protein diets.
>>
>--
>Anxiously awaiting your research articles,
>
>Belle
>
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