PCOS Messages for February, 2002: Re: Ganglion,for Renee&Barbara

Re: Ganglion,for Renee&Barbara

From: anonymous (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:20:33 -0600 (CST)

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At Fri, 08 Feb 2002, Renee wrote: >
>Barbara,
>
>I didn't say that you didn't have a ganglion. You asked what could be causing
>the tingling. Several people gave some options, I gave some more options, and
>suggested that it be assessed by a physician, since they all had different treatments.
>
>As far as chiropractors go, I know that they are trained extensively in the
>spine, and that they believe that many visceral ailments can be treated by
>adjusting the vertebrae around the origin or the spinal nerves that supply
>those organs. I feel, however, that they are often going outside their scope
>of practice. I worked with a PT who was also a chiropractor. She said that
>they were taught to do pelvic exams in school. I'm sorry, but I don't think
>that's the role of a chiropractor. I wouldn't go to my opthalmologist for a
>pap, I wouldn't go to a neurologist for a pregnancy, I wouldn't go to to a
>family practitioner to have a heart bypass, and I wouldn't go to a
>chiropractor for a non-spine or spinal nerve related condition. Though they
>all received training in these things in their schooling and residencies, it's
>not what they're best at.
>

I don't believe that Barbara's statement was suggestive of a chiropractor replacing the specialists above that you mention.You are taking this post and twisting it around,and discouraging other women from trying chiropratic care,that may just show some results.Barbara had mentioned that she had a couple good experiences with the chiropractor,but did not in any way suggest that it was to replace the care of a specialist in fields that you mention.

I am a massage therapist,and work with some extremely ill people. Some of my clients cannot even get to my parlor,so I am mobile,and bring my massage table to them. I work with terminally ill people,people with Multiple Sclerosis,Chron's disease,breast cancer,and many more.What I do is very rewarding,as massage brings such relief to these people suffering in pains.I get calls in the middle of the night from clients in pain;massage is not going to cure these ailing individuals,but will certainly relax them,and I do find that after massaging my one client with final stage breast cancer,that she is always very happy and quite content afterwards.

My daughter suffers from PCOS and is very well controlled,but she has a very knowledgable doctor.That is one of the reasons that I visit this forum on occasion.When my daughter had her unbearable menstral pains that left her completely immobile for days,crying in pains;massage therapy and hydrotherapy worked miraculously for her. She also seeks out chiropractic care for her irritable bowel,related to her pcos,and for HER,it is controlled.We have to remember that we are also dealing with the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems here,that a chiropractor can manipulate area's of the spine that make her come home and her spasms disappear.

I am in no way as well versed at you are in explaining illnesses and I have to be honest and say that I don't understand most of your posts. Dr. Samuel is a doctor and does not use the terminology that you do. I would think it would tend to confuse some others as well.

You seem completely closed minded when others opt for alternative approaches to illness.That can lead some to not get the attention that they require.

In my own experience,there have been many times that probably an opthmologist could have been better at diagnosing a neurological illness rather than a neruologist same as a dermatologist diagnosising an illness that other specialists missed.This I have discovered during many conversations over the years with my clients who were undiagnosed with illness's for years. It was a dermatologist that discovered my daughters PCOS.Her gynecologist and her Endocrinologist at the time,stated that she was just going threw early onset of her menstral cycle,and her blood tests were all within normal limits. It was the dermatologist that send her to another specialist to finally diagnose her back in 1998 with PCOS,and endometriosis.

And Barbara, Possibly it would be of interest for you to look into massage therapy,hydrptherapy and Reiki.If you are interested;let me know and I will contact you directly and give you my email address. I know of a few women with lupus,two of which are my clients and they also have the discoloration in their legs and feet with alot of swelling.I cannot cure them,but I am told that my bi weekly treatments helps them with their pains. It is also a very good approach to treating hypertension.I am uncertain of you suffer with that.Please let me know. Also,Barbara,my patients with lupus have had ganglions as well.Possibly this was lupus before you were diagnosed or early signs.There is also a little electric nerve stimulating device that many health insurance companies pay for,which is similar to accupuncture.One of my lupus patients has one. I don't know the name of it,but it comes with a booklet and these probes are placed on places of the body.I can get more research for you if you like,as I see how much lupus patients suffer.I have been reading your posts,and sympathize with what you have gone threw.I know,because I see my clients and see the variations in their health from week to week. You aren't alone dear. Have faith and go with your instincts.

Samantha

>However, everyone can make that choice for themselves. It's your body, and
>you're responsible for it. You can see whomever you want for it. That's the
>same mantra I use for PCOS related concerns as well.
>
>And, I never said ganglions can't be cured. All I said is that many problems
>get harder to treat the longer they are there. For example, if a nerve is
>getting pinched coming out of the spine, the longer it's pinched (and being
>damaged), the longer it takes to recover after the problem is resolved (eg:
>surgery), and the greater liklihood that it won't come back 100%. If pain
>limits movement, the structures around the involved joints can stiffen. It
>then becomes harder to regain the strength and flexibility the longer it goes
>on before the pain is relieved. I also never said a ganglion is a cyst. I
>think you're mixing up messages.
>
>Regarding my parenthetical that research to support chiropractic beyond the
>acute stage, here's a quote from the Agency for Health Care Policy and
>Research's guideline on acute low back pain. These guidelines were developed
>by a large team of professionals from all related disciplines (including
>chiropractors) based on a reading of all available research. They did 15
>guidelines on many different topics, and are well regarded. In fact, the ones
>in my field (there are 2) can be used in court as a standard of care. From the
>executive summary: "Manipulation seems helpful for patients with acute low
>back problems without radiculopathy when used within the first month of
>symptoms. If no symptomatic and functional improvement has been noted after 1
>month of manipulative therapy, this treatment should be stopped and the
>patient reevaluated." Radiculopathy is radiating pain down through the nerve
>from the spine to the arm or leg.
>
>I think people mis-read my e-mail, and blended what I said with what other
>people said, and got angry at me. I went back and re-read what I wrote to be
>sure I didn't write something I didn't remember, but I didn't. I didn't write
>most of what people are accusing me of saying.
>

>Renee
>
>Barbra Camara wrote:
>>
>> Hello Renee,
>>
>> I feel compelled to write this.
>> I felt somewhat challenged when reading your post about tingling
>> hands,and my response to that post.
>> I felt as if you were somewhat DOUBTING,THAT I INDEED HAD A GANGLION,and
>> that you found it hard to believe that it was treated successfully by a
>> chiropractor.
>>
>> I think sometimes,it is best not to post such a message,as you did,by
>> stating that it was basically impossible to have a ganglion cured.
>> I post messages when I am CERTAIN about something.I didn't make a false
>> statement there.I feel as if you are doubting my credability.
>>
>> I was just giving information from MY OWN EXPERIENCE,and wanted to give
>> someone advice that it could be a ganglion.Mine started without any
>> cyst...just tingly and numb.
>> Then it progressed to a lump.
>> Was successfully treated back in 1996 without surgery.
>>
>> Doctors and chiropractors may argueably disagree on treatments,thus,one
>> of the main reasons that chiropractors get the negative feedback,while
>> doctors who don't look at the cause,rather just treat the symptoms get
>> the glory!
>> I know this is a little off the topic here,but like to make myself
>> clear,as not to mislead anyone into thinking that chiropractors are cure
>> alls.
>> I was just pointing out what tingly hands may be,as the ganglion was the
>> reason for mine.It may just as well resolved on it's own without
>> chiropractic care.
>>
>> Some information on a ganglion,which is VERY COMMON,
>> Ganglion cysts are the most common masses seen in the hand and wrist.
>> They usually appear on the back of the wrist, but can also occur on the
>> palm side or at the
>> base of the fingers. They arise from the tissue which lines the joints
>> or tendons and fill with fluid. They can increase in size during
>> periods of irritation and often resolve
>> spontaneously. Ganglion cysts are benign and are not cancerous.
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>> Barbra Camara
>>
>--
>Renee Cordrey, MSPT, MPH, CWS
>
>---
>
>Don't follow in the footsteps of the masters. Seek what they sought.
> --Zen saying
>

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