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Re: DARN CARBS..-- Can I stop eating a lot of fat once I am in ketosis and maintain ketosis?
From: Alexis (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:27:59 -0600 (CST)
Mary...
Not sure if you were still around and hoping for an answer...but, here's
my take... I don't think it's so much eating fat as eating protein and
staying away from carbs. You should not have to continue eating fat to
stay in ketosis. A diet high in proten and lo-carb veggies should be
enough to continue the ketosis...well, it was for me. And, I was never
big on consuming fats. As far as I could tell it was the restiction of
my carbs that led me into ketosis....so, I don't believe that you would
slip out of ketosis if you cut back on fats...just watch the carbs.
That's all I was doing and it worked miracles...now...if I could only do
it again!
:-) Alexis
At Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Debbie wrote:
>
>Mary:
>
>I understand you completely. Although you are in ketosis this does not
>mean that you are only burning bodyfat. The released ketones may be
>from either bodyfat or dietary fat. That is what I think they don't
>make obvious about these low carbo diets. I mean, ask yourself: "where
>does the fat I put in go?". It also has to be burned right? I put on A
>LOT OF WEIGHT the first time I did the Atkins diet. And then I started
>thinking about it and realized that I was eating too much fat. Now that
>I am doing it religiously BUT not using the eat-all-the-fat-you-can
>idea, I am losing weight. However it is slow and I think it is because
>I am consuming too much fat. Afterall it is the REDUCTION IN TOTAL
>CALORIES that is caused by the fact that you are not hungry anymore that
>actually makes you burn fat pounds (as with any calorie reduction
>anyway; the difference is that I get hungry on high carb diets which is
>why I stick to this one). But here is my question to whoever can answer
>please. Can I eat very little fat once I am in Ketosis? I keep thinking
>I have to eat a lot of fat to maintain ketosis and I need to know that I
>can eat little or nothinf if I wish, and STILL be in ketosis. Someone
>please help out with this question.
>
>Deb
>
>At Wed, 31 May 2000, Mary wrote:
>>
>>Well I've said this before but will say again. I was on ATkins for FOUR
>>mos--and was purple ONE time. A couple other times I was the
>>pink/trace. And I was religious about the 20 carbs (stayed in or close
>>to induction the whole time b/c was supposed to get in ketosis before
>>upping carbs, right?), the drinking water, speed-walked about hour and
>>half each DAY!, etc. I was not religious about the supplemtnes except
>>for a multivitamin. Still, you'd think I would have seem some weight
>>loss.
>>
>>Instead I gained 20 lbs. My mother also had a similar experience. I
>>think it's largly the fat--atkins is all about eat eat eat the fat. You
>>don't need that much fat intake--and your body can and WILL use it as
>>fuel--so why should it jump into your fat stores? I think this is the
>>one flaw with atkins.
>>
>>Don't mean to be down or your diet but for some pple Atkins just doesn't
>>work. Doesn't mean another low carb won't. And it doens't mean low
>>carb isn't giving you other pcos-fighting benefits. But I am on Protein
>>Power diet right now--is similar to atkins but much less focussed on
>>eating fat, and I think it is a better diet for me. Just something to
>>keep in mind if you continue to struggle with atkins.
>>
>>At Tue, 30 May 2000, A wrote:
>>>
>>>Sam-
>>>
>>>Thanks! I've only been taking 100mg of the Q10....I'm planning to try to increase to 200 and up to 500 eventually. The ketosis thing really freaks me out too! I tried upping the L-carn to 1500 a day, but that didn't work either. Hopefully, the RE will be able to help out & answer some ?'s for me on the 30th. Thanks again for your help! Also, are you taking Inositol as well?
>>>:-) Alexis
>>>
>>>anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alexis
>>>> Dont be too down about putting on 2 lbs - Ive been doing it regularly - I now just count the lowest I have weighed in at as my current wieght - cos I know if I put on a couple one day its off again plus more by the next week. I too had a standstill for about 2 weeks. But I have read somewhere that it is not counted as a plateau unless you have stalled for a month. So try not to worry. Some days our bodies retain more water than others.
>>>>
>>>> Its more worrying about the ketosis - I had thought the L-Carn was doing the trick for you. Re Q10Im taking 3 x 500 mg per day as directed on the bottle - with food.
>>>>
>>>> Have you thought about upping your fat content - it is one of the things recommended in Atkins.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know how it goes.
>>>> All best wishes
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> > Sam-
>>>> >
>>>> >Again, so glad to hear it's working for you!! The past 2 weeks, I'm at a complete standstill! I was losing 1lb per day...and now nothing! I even gained 2! I'm still doing everything the same...can't understand why this is happening! :-( Not maintaining the ketosis anymore either...just can't get back in. One thing I have learned in the past few days....is that
>>>> >as a smoker, with every cigarette you smoke, your body releases insulin...wow! I have since quit smoking!!! It's only been two days...but at least I'm doing it. Feel if I want one that bad, it will have to be after a meal!! I'm going out to buy the Q10 today....how much are you taking & when? I've also ordered some Inositol.
>>>> >Thanks for the help!!
>>>> >Alexis
>>>> >
>>>> >anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > hey Alexis :)
>>>> >
>>>> > Well Im taking 1000mg - which I think is what you said you were taking - so I thought Id give it a go. Im still taking the Q10 as well - but its definately the L-Carn thats made the difference this week.
>>>> >
>>>> > Think you said that it was the L-Carn that made the difference for you getting into ketosis - are you not maintaining it then?
>>>> >
>>>> > The Q10 might be worth a try. I also take Biotin and Pottassium - both of which are supposed to be 'fat metabolisers'.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sam
>>>> >
>>>> > > Hey Sam!!
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Happy to hear the L-Carn is working for you!! How much are you taking? I'm starting to wonder how "severe" my IR is...
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Thx! Alexis :-)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thats right Jolene.
>>>> > > In fact when i came off the induction I added the additional carbs weekly until my ketone level came down to trace. I personally found that I could maintain ketosis on roughly double the induction level of carbs.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > However, great news!! Ive been trying the l-Carnitine for a week now - and on the same level of carbs as usual and my ketone level has shot up to high!! (Ive been working out in the gym twice a week for two weeks now as well - so that may also be a contributory factor) But that means I can add more carbs if I want and still know I will maintain weight loss.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Best regards
>>>> > > Sam
>>>> > > > Who's "they"? It seems that everyone would require differing
>>>> > > >levels of carbs for weight loss/maintenance because of
>>>> > > >differences in body chemistry. I can't speak for any of the other
>>>> > > >low-carb plans, but Atkins starts you out at 20 grams per day (for
>>>> > > >the two-week induction), then you can add an additional 5 grams
>>>> > > >per week until you stop losing weight, then you scale down a bit
>>>> > > >until you've lost enough. Then you add it back for maintenance.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >On alt.support.diet.low-carb, there are people who have been on
>>>> > > >20 grams for years because of the way their bodies handle carbs;
>>>> > > >others can eat 90-100 grams.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >Do the other low-carb plans give guidelines or do they provide
>>>> > > >some method to determine which levels are right for your body?
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >Jolene in Toledo
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >PS - You're right - carbs are in everything! I'm commonly causing
>>>> > > >traffic jams at the grocery store because I'm reading all the labels.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >PSS - You don't even want to get me on the subject of hidden
>>>> > > >carbs!
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > bhauff@dtgnet.com 5/23/00 11:56:48 PM >
>>>> > > >I also was surprised how many things have lots of carbs, especially
>>>> > > >after doing my calculations and finding out that they reccommend for
>>>> > > >less than 30 carbs a day if you want to loose weight and 55 carbs if you
>>>> > > >want to maintain weight.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
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