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Re: PCOS - For Belle
From: paula (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:19:04 -0500 (CDT)
According to the diabetic clinic i attended in Knoxville tennessee last
year when i was diagnosed as diabetic, in order to be diagnosed, you
needed to either have 3 fasting glucose levels that were 126 or
more...or an extremely high random glucose (this is what did it for me,
my random was 385).
love,paula
At Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Herring, wrote:
>
>I was told by my RE and also my Diabetic DR, that fasting glucose levels
>above 120 indicates diabetes. I think the final nail in the "coffin" was
>the IGTT, my 2 hour glucose was at 258, but on average before starting met I
>was running around 140 (I don't always (Never) drink a sugary orange drink
>throughout the day). What I mean by average is this
>One day I take my blood sugar at breakfast and supper, the next day I take
>my blood sugar at lunch and bedtime. This is what I was told to do, lately
>I haven't been doing that, I have only taken it when I feel it may be high.
>But high now, is maybe 140. Most of the time I am pleasently surprised with
>a nice 110-120 reading.
>
>I do have a big question for you Belle, since you are in the medical
>profession (Are you a nurse?). I had my liver biopsy done last Wednesday (I
>have high liver enzymes), and they called me this morning to give me the
>results. (the nurse did) Anyway, she said that I do have "fatty liver"
>which is what they thought I had. She then asked me what all medication I
>am on because they also found some granuloma in my liver. I told her I am
>taking Met (2000mg) and ferrous sulphate (for anemia). She said that she
>would speak with the dr about it and give me a call back, she said that
>granuloma can happen from some medications (granuloma seems to be a hard
>area, but looking on the net it can come from Snail eggs?) I told her that
>I have only been on both of these meds for 5 weeks (I don't think met would
>do that so quickly if it did at all). Do you, or anyone else know what can
>cause this to happen.
>
>Quite honestly I did a search on the net for granuloma and the results were
>quite scary, so I am not going to do that search again until I get more
>information from them.
>
>Thank you and take care
>Annetta
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: anonymous@obgyn.net [mailto:anonymous@obgyn.net
>Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:10 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list PCOS
>Subject: Re: PCOS - For Belle
>
>Thanks for this, I think that this will help. I am glad that you sent
>the explaination of what you were trying to say. After the first post
>(not just yours), I began receiving e-mails from women who were
>terrified that the Glucophage was going to make them have low blood
>sugar and they might pass out or something. That is why I responded.
>:-)
>
>I am sad to say that I have not looked at this site yet. Since a storm
>we had about 3 days ago (Thank G*d we got some rain), my computer has
>been downloading in the *negative* numbers. It has been taking about 2
>- 3 minutes for each post here to download. I have bookmarked the site
>you mentioned and I will look at it later. Before I gave up on the wait
>time, I did see where it said something about lowering the glucose level
>by preventing the liver from making too much glucose. I think that for
>the vast majority of us, the liver is not the problem, it is ingested
>glucose that has difficulty being processed because of the insulin
>problem. Like I said, I will have to get back to it when my phone line
>clears up.
>
>I think that we are basically saying the same thing: that Glucophage
>does not make your sugar go down, it is the cells receptivity to the
>insulin.
>
>Side note question: your sugar levels were at 140 before Glucophage and
>you are considered diabetic. Were these fasting levels? and now that
>you are at 120 (which is not a big drop) are these fasting? I ask
>because you said that they were taken thoughout the day and 140 is not
>significant unless in a fasting state. To get a diagnosis of diabetes
>the guidelines state that you should have a fasting level of 140 on a
>couple (2 or 3) of different occasions, or a non-fasting reading of over
>200.
>
>If the 120 is a fasting reading, that is still at the upper limits of
>normal.
>
>I do not understand the diagnosis based on this information.
>
>At Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Herring, wrote:
>>
>>Here is one site dealing with glucophage lowering blood sugar.
>>
>>http://medir.ohsu.edu/~ohsuhtxt/niddk/metform.html
>>
>>This site does reaffirm what you said about met not causing low blood
>sugar.
>>Take care,
>>Annetta
>>
>>Actually what I was trying to say was this.
>>
>>Glucophage helps your body to use the insulin you already have effectively.
>>Therefore if you are a diabetic then when you are on glucophage, your body
>>is able to use the insulin better (I won't say as normal). So if you are
>an
>>IR diabetic (as most (if not all) type II diabetics are), then when your
>>body is better able to use it's own insulin then your blood sugar will go
>>down.
>>
>>My own personnal experience is this. I started on Met 5 weeks ago, at that
>>time my average blood sugar was around 140, (taken at different times on
>>different days). Now that I am up to my full dose (2000mg) my average
>blood
>>sugar is running around 120, again taken at different times on different
>>days. I am a diabetic and the information on glucophage helping to reduce
>>your blood sugar was given to me by my DR I see for that. I have not
>>changed my eating habits at all. (Not low carbing)
>>
>--
>Thanks,
>
>Belle
>
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