Re: BCP & weight & ?'s for Sam..
From: A (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Fri, 02 Jun 2000 13:19:28 -0400
Hi Again!
I started low-carbing at the end of March....also started getting pretty involved in this board and I have been lucky enough to find much of the support I've needed right here! I guess I started because I was sick & tired of feeling sick & tired...as well as fed up with how I looked. I was diagnosed with PCOS about 8 years ago...doc siad that bcp would "fix" the problem. Little did I know that that was false and I was truly too young & naive to think that I could have something like this. I regret it so much that I didn't dig deeper into it when I was told I had PCOS. Along with the low-carbing I am taking the following: (daily)
400mcg Chromium blend
1000mg L-Carnitine
200mg Coenzyme Q10
1000mg Inositol
Do you think that's too much? Anyway similar to what you are taking? I'm still feeling much, much, much better. I guess it's just frustrating when you lose and lose and then BOOM....nothing! I hope the whoosh fairy comes tonight...I deserve it. Just played 9 holes of golf...hot out there! Didn't take a cart either, so that's about 3 miles!
Take Care!!!
:-) Alexis
anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
> Alexis
> Sorry not to have replied earlier in the chain - but having trouble with my email.
>
> Anyhow, re your reply to Barbara below, just wanted to say that two weeks stall isnt really a big deal (Honest :) ) Ive stalled for 3 weeks in the last month and had days of slightly gaining and then losing it again. But ultimately I start losing again. (Another lb this morning) I put it down the the extra exercise Im doing! Not just the work outs in they gym but also Ive so much more energy that I do a lot more - walk when I might have taken the car, but also do things when might have sat on the couch! As Barbara points out thats got to build muscle which is heavier than the fat.
>
> As long as I stay in ketosis I dont worry about the weight so much cos I know Im losing body fat.
>
> I started the low carbing after reading this board in Feb. I had just come out of hospital having had a hysteroscopy and endometrial biopsy and having lived for six months with the possibility that I had endometrial cancer - and I just decided I needed to find out what the hell was wrong with me . The docs had said PCOS but not really said what that was. Then I found this board. For which I give grateful thanx everyday. In fact, I leave my job today, which is where i get net access - so ive just been out and got myself new pc etc so I can get access to the net from home. Cant imagine not being able to log on and check out whats going on with everyone !!!
>
> So how did you get started Alexis?
> All the best
> Sam
> > Barb...
> >
> >Thanks for the info. Now I wonder if I should just start taking them again?!
> >Every day for close to 2 weeks I've been at the same weight. Now starting to think my scale is broken! LOL!! Maybe I'll go buy one of those really expensive ones that shows body fat and all that good stuff! On the muscle isssue, muscle does weigh more than fat, that may be my problem....I am VERY muscular as it is....don't want much more...how is it possible for one to lose some muscle? Much more and I will be able to assume the role of a WWF
> >wrestler!!
> >
> >:-) Alexis
> >Barbara wrote:
> >
> > Ok, so you weren't asking me but...here's m 2 cents anyway.
> > Yes it could be going off the pill, anytime you change things around it
> > can make a difference. Also, I have been reading ALOT lately my latest
> > topic :low carbing and it seems that all agree on one thing, it is not
> > physically possible to lose more than 2 pounds of FAT per week, so if
> > you are losing more it could be water, or lean body tissue.
> > This also means that you could be losing fat and gaining muscle due to a
> > low carb diet which should make you look and feel better in the long
> > run, but not show a 'weight loss' on the scale. Your weight can
> > fluctuate greatly from day to day as well, so CAD recommends weighing
> > yourself daily and averaging the week's weight to get a more accurate
> > picture. That way, you won't be as easily discouraged by temporary
> > water weight retention and the like.
> > Does any of this help? I sure hope so!
> > I have also been keeping a diary which has been really helpful to me, if
> > you are interested in info on that let me know.
> > At Thu, 1 Jun 2000, A wrote:
> > >
> > >Sam.....
> > >
> > >So happy to hear about the 30+ lbs!!! You go girl!! Are you still taking any supplements and if so what, when & how much??? Also, just curious, when did you start low-carbing and when did you start taking the supplements?
> > >
> > >I'm not having as much luck as I was. Still taking the supplements & drinking lots & lots of water. Also walking 3-4 x per week. It's pretty bothersome. I was religiously losing 1-2 lbs per day...now, lose 1, gain 1 the next day. Lose 1 , gain two. Too strange...I don't get it. The only thing I wonder is that about 2-3 weeks ago I stopped taking the bcp I was on...just to see if I could have a period on my own. Could that be affecting the
> > >weight loss? Any thoughts??
> > >Thanks Again!!!
> > >:-) Alexis
> > >anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
> > >
> > > Mary
> > > You are quite right - Atkins doesnt work for everyone. We are all different and need to find the path that suits us. Like you say there are many low carb alternatives. At the end of the day we need to reduce processed flours / foods and refined sugars.
> > >
> > > If Atkins doesnt work for you - check out the next type of low carb diet. And very best of luck.
> > >
> > > BTW - for those of us it does work for - 34lbs todate and still shrinking <G>
> > > Sam P
> > > > Well I've said this before but will say again. I was on ATkins for FOUR
> > > >mos--and was purple ONE time. A couple other times I was the
> > > >pink/trace. And I was religious about the 20 carbs (stayed in or close
> > > >to induction the whole time b/c was supposed to get in ketosis before
> > > >upping carbs, right?), the drinking water, speed-walked about hour and
> > > >half each DAY!, etc. I was not religious about the supplemtnes except
> > > >for a multivitamin. Still, you'd think I would have seem some weight
> > > >loss.
> > > >
> > > >Instead I gained 20 lbs. My mother also had a similar experience. I
> > > >think it's largly the fat--atkins is all about eat eat eat the fat. You
> > > >don't need that much fat intake--and your body can and WILL use it as
> > > >fuel--so why should it jump into your fat stores? I think this is the
> > > >one flaw with atkins.
> > > >
> > > >Don't mean to be down or your diet but for some pple Atkins just doesn't
> > > >work. Doesn't mean another low carb won't. And it doens't mean low
> > > >carb isn't giving you other pcos-fighting benefits. But I am on Protein
> > > >Power diet right now--is similar to atkins but much less focussed on
> > > >eating fat, and I think it is a better diet for me. Just something to
> > > >keep in mind if you continue to struggle with atkins.
> > > >
> > > >At Tue, 30 May 2000, A wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Sam-
> > > >
> > > >Thanks! I've only been taking 100mg of the Q10....I'm planning to try to increase to 200 and up to 500 eventually. The ketosis thing really freaks me out too! I tried upping the L-carn to 1500 a day, but that didn't work either. Hopefully, the RE will be able to help out & answer some ?'s for me on the 30th. Thanks again for your help! Also, are you taking Inositol as well?
> > > >:-) Alexis
> > > >
> > > >anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Alexis
> > > > Dont be too down about putting on 2 lbs - Ive been doing it regularly - I now just count the lowest I have weighed in at as my current wieght - cos I know if I put on a couple one day its off again plus more by the next week. I too had a standstill for about 2 weeks. But I have read somewhere that it is not counted as a plateau unless you have stalled for a month. So try not to worry. Some days our bodies retain more water than others.
> > > >
> > > > Its more worrying about the ketosis - I had thought the L-Carn was doing the trick for you. Re Q10Im taking 3 x 500 mg per day as directed on the bottle - with food.
> > > >
> > > > Have you thought about upping your fat content - it is one of the things recommended in Atkins.
> > > >
> > > > Let me know how it goes.
> > > > All best wishes
> > > > Sam
> > > >
> > > > > Sam-
> > > > >
> > > > >Again, so glad to hear it's working for you!! The past 2 weeks, I'm at a complete standstill! I was losing 1lb per day...and now nothing! I even gained 2! I'm still doing everything the same...can't understand why this is happening! :-( Not maintaining the ketosis anymore either...just can't get back in. One thing I have learned in the past few days....is that
> > > > >as a smoker, with every cigarette you smoke, your body releases insulin...wow! I have since quit smoking!!! It's only been two days...but at least I'm doing it. Feel if I want one that bad, it will have to be after a meal!! I'm going out to buy the Q10 today....how much are you taking & when? I've also ordered some Inositol.
> > > > >Thanks for the help!!
> > > > >Alexis
> > > > >
> > > > >anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hey Alexis :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Well Im taking 1000mg - which I think is what you said you were taking - so I thought Id give it a go. Im still taking the Q10 as well - but its definately the L-Carn thats made the difference this week.
> > > > >
> > > > > Think you said that it was the L-Carn that made the difference for you getting into ketosis - are you not maintaining it then?
> > > > >
> > > > > The Q10 might be worth a try. I also take Biotin and Pottassium - both of which are supposed to be 'fat metabolisers'.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sam
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey Sam!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Happy to hear the L-Carn is working for you!! How much are you taking? I'm starting to wonder how "severe" my IR is...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thx! Alexis :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats right Jolene.
> > > > > > In fact when i came off the induction I added the additional carbs weekly until my ketone level came down to trace. I personally found that I could maintain ketosis on roughly double the induction level of carbs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, great news!! Ive been trying the l-Carnitine for a week now - and on the same level of carbs as usual and my ketone level has shot up to high!! (Ive been working out in the gym twice a week for two weeks now as well - so that may also be a contributory factor) But that means I can add more carbs if I want and still know I will maintain weight loss.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > > Sam
> > > > > > > Who's "they"? It seems that everyone would require differing
> > > > > > >levels of carbs for weight loss/maintenance because of
> > > > > > >differences in body chemistry. I can't speak for any of the other
> > > > > > >low-carb plans, but Atkins starts you out at 20 grams per day (for
> > > > > > >the two-week induction), then you can add an additional 5 grams
> > > > > > >per week until you stop losing weight, then you scale down a bit
> > > > > > >until you've lost enough. Then you add it back for maintenance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >On alt.support.diet.low-carb, there are people who have been on
> > > > > > >20 grams for years because of the way their bodies handle carbs;
> > > > > > >others can eat 90-100 grams.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Do the other low-carb plans give guidelines or do they provide
> > > > > > >some method to determine which levels are right for your body?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Jolene in Toledo
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >PS - You're right - carbs are in everything! I'm commonly causing
> > > > > > >traffic jams at the grocery store because I'm reading all the labels.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >PSS - You don't even want to get me on the subject of hidden
> > > > > > >carbs!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > bhauff@dtgnet.com 5/23/00 11:56:48 PM >
> > > > > > >I also was surprised how many things have lots of carbs, especially
> > > > > > >after doing my calculations and finding out that they reccommend for
> > > > > > >less than 30 carbs a day if you want to loose weight and 55 carbs if you
> > > > > > >want to maintain weight.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Barbara
> >
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