Re: DARN CARBS..-- ketosis issue
From: Mary (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Wed, 31 May 2000 17:48:20 -0500 (CDT)
True true. But in my case, consdiering I gained weight I'm going to
assume there was not necessarily a lot of ketosis going on with me,
water or not. I'm glad you are not as gung-ho re: fats as atkins. Truth
is the only diff. between Protein Power diet and Atkins is that gung-ho
fat issue. So if you are taking it easy on fats, you are prob doing
something similar to Protein Power actually...
I'm not trying to proselytize (or criticize!) anyone. I just don't want
anyone to go thru what I went thru--keeping the faith that atkins WOULD
EVENTUALLY WORK when it just plain didn't for me (or my mom, or a
co-worker I know).
In my opinion, (and this is jsut to everyone) if you just can't get into
ketosis for much longer than it "should" take, seriously reconsider if a
ketosis-measuring diet is for you.
But honest I'm really REALLY glad your diet is working. 17 pounds--that
is AWESOME!! Congrats! :D
At Wed, 31 May 2000, A wrote:
>
>Mary...
>
>Although I agree with your comments...I am not following Atkins. Atkins does suggest minimal carbs & increased fats. However, it is posible for a person to follow Atkins and not really go overboard on the fats. I am not as strict as he and I have lost 17 lbs since the end of March. I watch my carb count, eat only low-carb veggies & no fruit, but I also eat lean meats & aboslutely refuse to eat pork rinds!! Testing ketones is just something I do
>to ensure that my body is buring its stored fats. However, it is possible that one can be in ketosis and that when testing the urine, the strips show only "traces." This may be due to the amount of water a person is drinking. It may also be noted that some people are so insulin resistant that they are unable to enter ketosis. I have found my resistance to be very severe...thus the reason for adding the supplements mentioned..
>Good luck with your weight loss program!!
>:-) Alexis
>
>Mary wrote:
>
>> Well I've said this before but will say again. I was on ATkins for FOUR
>> mos--and was purple ONE time. A couple other times I was the
>> pink/trace. And I was religious about the 20 carbs (stayed in or close
>> to induction the whole time b/c was supposed to get in ketosis before
>> upping carbs, right?), the drinking water, speed-walked about hour and
>> half each DAY!, etc. I was not religious about the supplemtnes except
>> for a multivitamin. Still, you'd think I would have seem some weight
>> loss.
>>
>> Instead I gained 20 lbs. My mother also had a similar experience. I
>> think it's largly the fat--atkins is all about eat eat eat the fat. You
>> don't need that much fat intake--and your body can and WILL use it as
>> fuel--so why should it jump into your fat stores? I think this is the
>> one flaw with atkins.
>>
>> Don't mean to be down or your diet but for some pple Atkins just doesn't
>> work. Doesn't mean another low carb won't. And it doens't mean low
>> carb isn't giving you other pcos-fighting benefits. But I am on Protein
>> Power diet right now--is similar to atkins but much less focussed on
>> eating fat, and I think it is a better diet for me. Just something to
>> keep in mind if you continue to struggle with atkins.
>>
>> At Tue, 30 May 2000, A wrote:
>> >
>> >Sam-
>> >
>> >Thanks! I've only been taking 100mg of the Q10....I'm planning to try to increase to 200 and up to 500 eventually. The ketosis thing really freaks me out too! I tried upping the L-carn to 1500 a day, but that didn't work either. Hopefully, the RE will be able to help out & answer some ?'s for me on the 30th. Thanks again for your help! Also, are you taking Inositol as well?
>> >:-) Alexis
>> >
>> >anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>> >
>> >> Alexis
>> >> Dont be too down about putting on 2 lbs - Ive been doing it regularly - I now just count the lowest I have weighed in at as my current wieght - cos I know if I put on a couple one day its off again plus more by the next week. I too had a standstill for about 2 weeks. But I have read somewhere that it is not counted as a plateau unless you have stalled for a month. So try not to worry. Some days our bodies retain more water than others.
>> >>
>> >> Its more worrying about the ketosis - I had thought the L-Carn was doing the trick for you. Re Q10Im taking 3 x 500 mg per day as directed on the bottle - with food.
>> >>
>> >> Have you thought about upping your fat content - it is one of the things recommended in Atkins.
>> >>
>> >> Let me know how it goes.
>> >> All best wishes
>> >> Sam
>> >>
>> >> > Sam-
>> >> >
>> >> >Again, so glad to hear it's working for you!! The past 2 weeks, I'm at a complete standstill! I was losing 1lb per day...and now nothing! I even gained 2! I'm still doing everything the same...can't understand why this is happening! :-( Not maintaining the ketosis anymore either...just can't get back in. One thing I have learned in the past few days....is that
>> >> >as a smoker, with every cigarette you smoke, your body releases insulin...wow! I have since quit smoking!!! It's only been two days...but at least I'm doing it. Feel if I want one that bad, it will have to be after a meal!! I'm going out to buy the Q10 today....how much are you taking & when? I've also ordered some Inositol.
>> >> >Thanks for the help!!
>> >> >Alexis
>> >> >
>> >> >anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > hey Alexis :)
>> >> >
>> >> > Well Im taking 1000mg - which I think is what you said you were taking - so I thought Id give it a go. Im still taking the Q10 as well - but its definately the L-Carn thats made the difference this week.
>> >> >
>> >> > Think you said that it was the L-Carn that made the difference for you getting into ketosis - are you not maintaining it then?
>> >> >
>> >> > The Q10 might be worth a try. I also take Biotin and Pottassium - both of which are supposed to be 'fat metabolisers'.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sam
>> >> >
>> >> > > Hey Sam!!
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Happy to hear the L-Carn is working for you!! How much are you taking? I'm starting to wonder how "severe" my IR is...
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Thx! Alexis :-)
>> >> > >
>> >> > >anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thats right Jolene.
>> >> > > In fact when i came off the induction I added the additional carbs weekly until my ketone level came down to trace. I personally found that I could maintain ketosis on roughly double the induction level of carbs.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > However, great news!! Ive been trying the l-Carnitine for a week now - and on the same level of carbs as usual and my ketone level has shot up to high!! (Ive been working out in the gym twice a week for two weeks now as well - so that may also be a contributory factor) But that means I can add more carbs if I want and still know I will maintain weight loss.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Best regards
>> >> > > Sam
>> >> > > > Who's "they"? It seems that everyone would require differing
>> >> > > >levels of carbs for weight loss/maintenance because of
>> >> > > >differences in body chemistry. I can't speak for any of the other
>> >> > > >low-carb plans, but Atkins starts you out at 20 grams per day (for
>> >> > > >the two-week induction), then you can add an additional 5 grams
>> >> > > >per week until you stop losing weight, then you scale down a bit
>> >> > > >until you've lost enough. Then you add it back for maintenance.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >On alt.support.diet.low-carb, there are people who have been on
>> >> > > >20 grams for years because of the way their bodies handle carbs;
>> >> > > >others can eat 90-100 grams.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Do the other low-carb plans give guidelines or do they provide
>> >> > > >some method to determine which levels are right for your body?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Jolene in Toledo
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >PS - You're right - carbs are in everything! I'm commonly causing
>> >> > > >traffic jams at the grocery store because I'm reading all the labels.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >PSS - You don't even want to get me on the subject of hidden
>> >> > > >carbs!
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > bhauff@dtgnet.com 5/23/00 11:56:48 PM >
>> >> > > >I also was surprised how many things have lots of carbs, especially
>> >> > > >after doing my calculations and finding out that they reccommend for
>> >> > > >less than 30 carbs a day if you want to loose weight and 55 carbs if you
>> >> > > >want to maintain weight.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
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