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Re: Alexis Re: PCOS without IR?
From: A (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Sun, 21 May 2000 23:45:01 -0400
Thanks for the info Judy....I'm gonna check the book out. It sounds greats!
:-) Alexis
Judy wrote:
> Hi Alexis-
>
> I was following a program in a book called "Natural Energy". Took them
> together, 3X per day (at meals): Carnitine 1000 mg, Q-10 60 mg. (I used
> the liquid L-Carnitine, since I'm not crazy about taking a lot of pills
> each day.)
>
> The book outlines a series of programs based on when you feel most
> tired, whether you're overeating (for energy), or feeling like you're in
> a "brain fog" all of the time.
>
> I've heard it's helpful for many folks, but unfortunately it didn't give
> me a boost. Worth a try though! No rock goes unturned in my quest for
> *Wakefulness*. :-)
>
> Judy
>
> At Fri, 19 May 2000, A wrote:
> >
> >Judy-
> >
> >Just curious...how much of the L-Carnitine were you taking? Also, were you taking
> >the L-Carn & Q10 together?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >:-) Alexis
> >
> >Judy wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Margo-
> >> Just had to *thank you* for sharing exactly what your current routine is
> >> (with the amounts of inositol, chromium, etc.) I'm so happy for you! If
> >> my own tests don't pan out soon, I'm going to try your routine to see if
> >> it helps me as well.
> >>
> >> (Over the past few years, I've tried a few supplements on my own to see
> >> if I couldn't help my symptoms: Estroven (which amazingly did slow down
> >> the facial hair a bit--but not a total cure by any means), and a combo
> >> of Q-10 and L-Carnitine (which help many people's energy level--no
> >> effect on me though).
> >>
> >> *Very* intersting info about the IGTT, too Margo. You know, I have in
> >> my hands right now a script for my IGTT, and it's for only 2 hours. You
> >> may very well have spared me an inaccurate test. I'll ask for the 5
> >> hour just to be sure. (This script came from the PCOS specialist, too!
> >> Gee, you'd think he'd know better. Perhaps it's a $$$ issue.)
> >>
> >> Thanks so much, and CONGRATULATIONS of feeling better!
> >>
> >> Judy
> >>
> >> At Fri, 19 May 2000, Margo wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Hello everyone,
> >> >
> >> >I have hypoglycemia and I am insulin resistant. Fasting levels for both
> >> >glucose and insulin all were normal. I had the 5 hr. IGTT It's after
> >> >the sugar drink where blood sugar and insulin spiked and my blood sugar
> >> >plummeted at the 3rd hour (to 45) while the insulin level remained high
> >> >(105). if I had just had the 2 hr IGTT, the hypoglycemia wouldn not
> >> >have been noticed. Thankfully they stopped the test after 4hrs (I felt
> >> >like I was going to pass out - my lips and fingers were blue and I was
> >> >shaking and cold and slurring my words - no fun!)
> >> >
> >> >Way the doc explained it to me was, you eat, your body produces insulin
> >> >so your cells can process the food (primarily produced to process
> >> >sugars/starches) and to utilize the nutrients. Since your cells are
> >> >resistant to the insulin, your body keeps producing more and more of the
> >> >insulin to get your cells to process the food and nutrients, which
> >> >causes an excess of insulin in the blood and causes your sugar to drop,
> >> >hence you have low blood sugar (hypoglycemia). Then your body cries out
> >> >for more food to stabilize the sugar (they keep asking for more
> >> >nutrition) (usually the craving is for sugar or carbs) and the whole
> >> >process starts over. Since your body really isn't processing the food
> >> >and nutrients, it is constantly fatigued and "hungry" for nutrients.
> >> >What you eat isn't processed well by the cells so it gets stored as fat
> >> >rather than used for energy (my doc says it's usually stored in the mid
> >> >section). I hope I got this right. Forgive my non-medical explanation
> >> >of what he told me. I do have to say that just by doing the low carbing
> >> >(50-60g per day of carbs),taking the inositol and the chromium gtf for a
> >> >few weeks, I feel like a new person - I have energy for once (and don't
> >> >feel like sleeping all the time like I used to) and I also don't have
> >> >the wacky blood sugar levels or the chronic nausea that I used to. I
> >> >also actually sleep better than before.
> >> >
> >> >I guess PCOS my be like the chicken and the egg question but they are
> >> >DEFINITELY related.
> >> >
> >> >At Thu, 18 May 2000, Lisa wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>At Thu, 18 May 2000, Christine wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Hi Ladies,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I am curious about the IR/PCOS connection. It seems that years ago,
> >> >>>nobody really knew about the connection but now, many people are saying
> >> >>>there isn't just a connection - it is the cause.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I am wondering then... is it really possible to be PCOS if not IR? I am
> >> >>>not sure whether or not I am because I am still waiting on bloodwork. My
> >> >>>Dr. seems to think my sugar problems are from hypoglycemia and not IR,
> >> >>>however, he has officially diagnosed me as PCOS.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I am concerned that some of us are not in fact PCOS at all and there is
> >> >>>some other reason why we have excessive facial hair, irregular periods
> >> >>>and acne. I really am thinking that while many woman are struggling to
> >> >>>get the diagnosis of PCOS to get medicated properly, some Dr.s are using
> >> >>>it to cover unexplained symptoms. Is this really in our best interest?
> >> >>>Could what I have simply be a hormonal imbalance? Is there such a thing
> >> >>>as an unexplainable hormonal balance or are all abnormalities caused by
> >> >>>*something*?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I am not really worrying about this just yet as I still need to get
> >> >>>results back from my OGTT, but I have just been thinking about this alot
> >> >>>lately: what if I am not IR? Will a diagnosis of PCOS be accurate?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Any thoughts?
> >> >>
> >> >>Hi Kay, no answers except to say I am where you are right now too. I
> >> >>had an GTT with insulins last week. The BSL's have come back, but in
> >> >>Australia we use a different of unit of measure and I can't find a
> >> >>concersion table to make sense of it.
> >> >>I should find out the insulin's soon. But my fasting BSL was 4.9 mmol
> >> >>one hour after glucose it DROPPED to 3.9
> >> >>two hours later my BSL rose again to a low 4.9
> >> >>
> >> >>My endocrinologist isn't interested in any other insulin levels except
> >> >>the fasting one, but I asked my GP to send me for the test anyway. My
> >> >>RE also does not believe Metformin has any benifit, even if I am IR. I
> >> >>was diagnosed with PCOS 12 years ago and had clomid to have 2 sons
> >> >>(8&10). I have no doubt I have it, and I'm sure there is an insulin
> >> >>connection with me, even if they haven't found it yet.
> >> >>Lisa
> >>
>
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