Re: Ketostix..Dr.Atkins
From: Laurie (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:49:16 -0500 (CDT)
I've not actually been on the Atkins Diet, nor can I say I've even read
the book. My folks went on it & both lost weight but could not
personally handle the amount of meat & lack of vegetables they were
allowed to have. I too have **heard** that overconsumption of meat
leads to a potential problem w/the liver & kidneys (due to inability to
properly digest)
I really like The Zone myself (which I have read & researched) because
it balances the carbs (from pasta, bread, corn, etc), still has the
protein (although not a high protein diet by any means)& still has most
of your fruits & vegetables. I've had good luck w/it & I do feel "tons"
better when I do it. I do agree w/an earlier comment about the
condition of the meat we chose to eat. It has been so doctored
w/hormones that if you do not have a reliable source for organically
raised meat, we may only make our condition worse. To add insult to
injury, many of the pesticides & chemical fertilizers used on our
produce are "estrogen-like" chemicals which we ingest & can cause
hormonal issues. We get them in our food, in our water (from runoff) &
in our meat because the cows/chickens eat the feed "contaminated" with
it. I don't recall the site, but I will find it again, but there's a
whole medical agency (global) dedicated to this one facet of endocrine
disfunctions related to the pollutants in our society that cause
them......well, sorry, I got a little side tracked.
I guess the great thing is for people to use what works best for them,
but to investigate it well & not rely on one source (or take a book @
it's word because the author has "Dr." in front of it)..good luck to
all!
At Wed, 5 Apr 2000, anonymous@obgyn.net wrote:
>
>I know you guys are talking about Dr. Atkins diet. Has anyone looked at the
>Susan Sommers' diet?
>She also stresses decreased carbos and looks at food combinations. She
>incourages whole grains
>if you want pasta or breads. Fruits and veggies are also allowed, but its the
>way she catagorizes them
>that seems to make the difference. I have actually done this diet for a few
>months and have managed to
>lose 15 lbs somewhat easily. And like with all diets, WATER is also key.
>Linda
>
>virginpure23@yahoo.com (Lily) on 04/05/2000 03:59:16 PM
>
>Please respond to pcos@obgyn.net
>
> To: Multiple recipients of list PCOS
> <pcos@forum.obgyn.net>
>
> cc: (bcc: Linda Collins/VUMC/Vanderbilt)
>
> Subject: Re: Ketostix..Dr.Atkins hog wash!TO BELLE
>
>Belle- excuse me, but I am aware that "very little" fruits and veggies
>are allowed on this diet. I bought and read the book! And the truth is
>that Atkins discourages eating a BIG variety of Fruits because he says
>our bodies burn fruit sugar the same way as regular table sugar. Which
>is true, but table sugar does not have the life giving enzymes and
>nutrients that fruit does (and you can't get those from a supplement).
>Also Atkins neglects to tell about the dangers of the meat and dairy
>industries and all their lovely "ADDITIVES" (i.e. growth hormones,
>antibiotics..etc) which get passed into our systems. He is overboard in
>my opinion. I am not against eating meat, I just think that he leaves
>ALOT of info. out of his book. He talks about how me eat too much
>processed foods, but then neglects to incourage eating whole foods. You
>can't deny that he discourages the eating of grains, and that bothers
>me!
>
>At Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Belle wrote:
>>
>>You know that I do not follow Adkins but that I read Adkin's, Heller's
>>and Sears and I typically go where the three agree. A low carb diet
>>works for us where others have failed. Not only am I talking about
>>weight loss but also in stabilizing our sugar, lowering cholesterol,
>>lowering testosterone, some have found it regulates their periods. There
>>have been many benefits of a low carb diet for the sufferers of PCOS.
>>You obviously are not aware of the fruits and vegetables that are
>>"allowed" on the various diets. I would suggest you discover them for
>>yourself.
>>
>>If you can find *repeatable*, *reliable* research that indicates a uric
>>acid (or kidney, or heart, or liver, etc) problem with low carb diets,
>>please tell us what it is. It seems the only evidence I can find it the
>>"evidence" presented by those who are trying to sell their own diet. I
>>am aware of research studies where "meat" eaters have been compared to
>>"vegetarians" and no difference in kidney function or kidney "age" were
>>detected proving that a diet with higher meat content did not effect the
>>kidneys in the way that was suspected.
>>
>>For those who do not know, uric acid is the end product of metabolism.
>>It is normally present in the body and excreted in the urine. If you
>>have an excess of uric acid, you can develop gout. "The presence of
>>high concentrations of uric acid in the urine is significant in the
>>diagnosis of gout, but is of little significance in urinary disorders"
>>Saunders ed. Miller and Keane. Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medical,
>>Nursing and Allied Health, fourth edition.
>>
>>At Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Lily wrote:
>>>
>>>I am sorry but those are from Dr. Atkins diet, and any program that
>>>practically eliminates most fruits, veggies,legumes, and other
>>>un-processed grains, is too good (or shall I say bad) to be true. Can
>>>we all say Uric acid poisoning folks. People it's time to stop buying
>>>into every "miracle" weight loss program that comes along! The only
>>>thing that program does, is make one Dr. ALOT more rich. People might
>>>lose weight, but at what price? And multi-vitamins DO NOT take the place
>>>of the nutritious enzymes in fruits and veggies!! Sorry...I needed to
>>>vent!
>>
>>--
>>Hope this helps,
>>
>>Belle
>>
>--
>Lily
>
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