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Re: Pregnancy and progesteroneFrom: Blank (anonymous@obgyn.net)Wed, 28 May 2003 22:59:01 -0500 (CDT)
At Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Cassandra wrote: > >I feel the need to re-post this here (originally posted to the general >PCOS forum,) since these products keep coming up in conversation. Can >someone on this forum answer my questions? The link in the message below >does not seem to work, but it does sound like an Arbonne product is >involved. The other link contains information about a number of >different supplements, from what seems like many different >manufacturers, but my query remains the same. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >I've been "lurking" on this list for a while now, although I only >started posting recently. I have noticed a lot of posts (from at least >two different people) touting the wonders of progesterone cream and >"natural" progesterone. What makes me wonder is the "email me off list" >part of the >message, where the email address is within a domain like myarbonne.com >or some other multi-level-marketing group/commercial venture. > >While I'm glad there is not any overt advertising on this list, these >posts come *pretty darn close* to advertising, IMHO. I think if someone >posts a personal testimonial, and then includes references to websites, >email addresses, etc. where someone can purchase a product mentioned in >that >testimonial, then that person should have to state up front that he/she >makes a profit from the sale of that product. Just seems like the >ethical thing to do, and I'm confused as to why these posts are allowed >without such disclaimers. > >I also object to the implication that one cannot obtain progesterone by >prescription, and that only a "fake" progestin will be given by medical >professionals. True, there are many synthetic progestin molecules out >there, and these may or may not be the best for certain medical >problems. > >But there are also legitimate progesterone supplements available by >prescription (Prometrium, Gesterol, Crinone, etc.) that contain >progesterone that may be *derived* from plant sources, but is >*biochemically identical* to >"natural" human progesterone. That is to say, if you tested them >against progesterone taken from a human being, the molecules would be >exactly the same. > >To say the "natural" progesterone in OTC supplements and creams is >somehow better or different from prescribed progesterone (and I'm >referring to the actual progesterone molecule, not any of the various >progestins) is as silly as saying that oxygen extracted from the >atmosphere is somehow >different from oxygen hydrolyzed from water! If I were suffering from >severe asthma or heart failure, in need of oxygen from a tank, I would >not care what the source was so long as the final product was indeed >oxygen, i.e. O2. My body would have no clue what the original source >of the O2 was. > >And for that matter, are the progesterone creams sold over the counter >extracted from ground-up human ovaries, or extracted from the blood or >urine of human women? That would be the only way they could be truly >"natural," and I highly doubt that anyone is using that sort of source >in >these creams. > >For example, if they are indeed extracting this "natural" progesterone >from the urine of human women, it would be mighty expensive stuff, since >most progesterone is converted to other things in the body, or bound to >proteins >in the blood, and very little of it shows up unchanged in the urine. > >Can one of the reps who sells these progesterone creams fill me in on >what the exact source of their "natural" progesterone is? I'm willing to >bet it is originally plant-derived (soy, yam, etc.) or animal-derived, >and then >chemically modified to be identical to human progesterone. (Which would >be fine by me, since even that "artificial" chemical alteration would >still give me the bio-identical end product, like the oxygen example I >used above.) Many of these OTC creams claim to have USP progesterone, >meaning it >meets the quality standards of the U.S. Pharmacopeia. Is the source of >this USP progesterone is any different from the USP progesterone used >in, for example, Prometrium? How are these OTC products any safer or >more effective than the (USP, bio-identical) ones made by the >pharmaceutical >companies? > >-- >Cassandra > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >At Sun, 9 Mar 2003, BJ wrote: >> >>That is not the only cause of premature birth and miscarriage but it >>sure wouldn't hurt to use it. But it has to be real progesterone, not a >>synthetic progestin. Here is a website with some interesting info for >>you http://www.arbonn-central.com/detail2.asp?product_ID=FYI-14. And, >>yes, correct again. If a woman is not ovulating, for whatever reason, >>she is not producing progesterone. See >>http://www.natural-progesterone-advisory-network.com. Take care! >>BJ >
-- I had recently had a miscarriage and I found out that the reason for it was that i had Hypothyroidism. While pregnant my progestrone level was supposed to increase and double and it did'nt because of my thyroid disorder. Well, thank God I'm pregnant again and I am very excited. My OBGYN put me back on a pill called prometrium to replace my progestrone (as a substitute). She said that progesterone is what helps the baby develop and that this would help me. Now I am on my 12th week and she says that I could get off of it. I am not a doctor this is just my testimonial and I just know about this kind of progesterone. I've heard about the cream, but I do not know about how it works. I also heard that progesterone also contains vitamin E, but just to remind you I am not a professional or a doctor. This is just something I went through and what I've read.
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