Re: CLARA Re: PCO DIAGNOSIS 17 YEARS AGO
From: Avalos (anonymous@obgyn.net)
Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:43:02 -0500
don't even go there!
Nothing to envy, trust me! Got my picture taken at Costco last night for a
membership card... Ugh! Nope. nothing to envy, I promise you that....
yeeeek!
I am finding, with this PCOS and with other issues in my life, that I just
have to keep trying until I hit the combination of factors that works for
me... AND I am learning patience and perseverance and to accept myself.
I have cried too too many times to think of, I have lost so much of myself
in the process... Yet, inside, my heart and my head are the same, if not
better than ever, especially once I stop berating myself and disliking
myself... So I just have to hang on to the good things, thank God for small
blessings like my husband, my wonderful job, my RE, this group, and stuff
like that... and just keep on trying.
Oh yeah, I can be a teensy bit neurotic... that's also part of why I try to
keep things general! I was most definitely the kid who freaked out if I
stepped on the lines in hop-scotch!
-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Crowe [mailto:anonymous@obgyn.net
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 3:26 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list PCOS-MEDICATION
Subject: Re: CLARA Re: PCO DIAGNOSIS 17 YEARS AGO
I can tell you this, Clara - I have absolutely NO self control so I am like
you
... I have to ask for things to not even be brought to me...
I do not think you are nerotic...I envy you.
"Avalos, Clara" wrote:
> Amy:
>
> I try to shoot for 60... BUT I don't sweat it too much... SERIOUSLY! I am
a
> disaster at that kind of thing.... I think of the menu/food for the day
> before I start thinking carb numbers... then I plan it out as though it
> would be a regular meal for non-low carbers, and I adjust things for me.
> That way my husband/guests can eat with no pain! Most of my recipes have
> been conducive to this, since the majority of the carbs always come from
> sides like pasta, rice, potatoes, corn, peas... And the small amount of
> flavorings that I use, like Thai curry paste or fish sauce, don't make
much
> of a difference in carbs when the meal is divided into portions. For me,
> flavor and texture are making up for the lack of rice, etc.
>
> What I generally do is eyeball my portions (I always serve portions that
> permit me to see my plate in between, with no food close to the edges...
oh
> gosh, I sound neurotic! Actually, it's an old rule of my mother's that I
> dug out of memory).... and one thing I CAN do is to keep track of the
types
> of foods/liquids that I am consuming.... otherwise, for me, it gets too
> complicated, and that has always been my downfall with diets.... once you
> stop measuring, poof! gain gain gain!
>
> Also, keeping things general makes it easier for me when we go out to
> eat.... I have less difficulty making menu choices or asking for
> substitutions... So now, for example, I specifically ask that sides like
> potatoes, carrots, corn, bread, pasta are left off of my plate and I ask
for
> beans or cauliflower or broccoli or even a small salad instead. Most food
> establishments are very accommodating. I also am getting a kick out of my
> husband's reaction to this... He gets a kick out of the left overs from my
> plate that make their way to his stomach!
>
> oh well. I don't know what will work for you. I've seen lots of people
do
> really well & be able to measure & add & stick to limits that way. Often
I
> wish I could! < sigh >
>
> Clara
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amy Crowe [mailto:amy.crowe@trism.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 3:04 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list PCOS-MEDICATION
> Subject: Re: CLARA Re: PCO DIAGNOSIS 17 YEARS AGO
>
> Neat Site, Clara - What amount of Carbs do you limit yourself to a day??
>
> "Avalos, Clara" wrote:
>
> > Amy:
> >
> > I read in a later post that your appointment went well.. I am truly glad
> to
> > know this!
> >
> > In answer to your question about sites, I found the info at
> > http://www.ncenter.com/carbcharts... This one was the easiest for me, since it
> > lists all kinds of foods, even prepared foods/meals...
> >
> > Let me know how it goes!
> >
> > Clara
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Amy Crowe [mailto:amy.crowe@trism.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 10:07 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list PCOS-MEDICATION
> > Subject: Re: CLARA Re: PCO DIAGNOSIS 17 YEARS AGO
> >
> > Hi Clara - I have printed this message and I think I may go look for
> > nutritional
> > values as you did...Any sites that you know off hand???
> >
> > Anyway - My dr. apt is in an hour, so we will see I guess...
> >
> > "Avalos, Clara" wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Amy, how are you? I've been reading the posts sporadically this
week
> > > (work has suddenly become crazy); I thought I saw one from you
regarding
> a
> > > doctor's appointment... Did you go? Any news?
> > >
> > > In answer to your question, yes, I have lost some weight... it's kind
of
> > > weird. I mean, it's not at all like losing weight with diet pills or
on
> > one
> > > of those fad diets (I tried so many of them!). It's just a few pounds
a
> > > week (like two or three), but that is without any exercise at all.
I'm
> a
> > > bit of a workaholic, and I have difficulty finding time to exercise...
> > With
> > > that said, I am also noticing that I am not as fatigued as I was
before
> > > taking the metformin. My body just feels "better"....
> > >
> > > The low carb diet really isn't hard to do. I am not actually following
> any
> > > one program, like Atkins or Zone or Sugar Busters. I just pulled down
a
> > > bunch of nutritional charts off the web where all sorts of foods are
> > > classified by group/type, & listed with all their individual
nutritional
> > > values, picked the ones from each group that were the lowest in carbs,
> and
> > > ignored completely the high-carb groups, and decided that these foods
> > would
> > > be the staples of our diet. In addition to the
meat/fish/chicken/eggs/
> > that
> > > I cook, I make rice or pasta or potatoes for my husband. I just don't
> eat
> > > them. For each meal I also prepare a dish of some kind of vegetables
> that
> > > are low in carbs, either raw or cooked. And I go nuts with the
> > > seasonings/different cooking techniques/ethnic flavors... So one night
> it
> > is
> > > Indian style meat with cauliflower, another night it is Thai curry
> chicken
> > > and green beans, another night it is Mexican chipotle grilled salmon
> with
> > > steamed swiss chard in lemon-garlic-olive oil sauce, another it is
Greek
> > > seasoned ground lamb burgers with green beans cooked with fresh tomato
> and
> > > olive oil.... I've always made these foods, I just always ate the
> > > rice/pasta/potatoes or included high-carb veggies that I now skip.
> > >
> > > In addition to the above examples, I am eating moderate amounts of
some
> > > other veggies and a few fruits, to get my vitamins.... And I've
actually
> > > been drinking more water without even forcing myself to do so.. (I
think
> > > this might be metformin related, too, since I am noticing that my skin
> has
> > > gotten really dry and itchy since I started taking the metformin.... I
> > > wonder if anyone can tell me if Metformin has a dehydrating effect.)
> > >
> > > Anyway, I am keeping my fingers crossed... And I am going to start
> scaling
> > > back at work so that I can make time to exercise again. I have a
> feeling
> > > that now that I am taking metformin, it will not be so hard to shed
the
> > > pounds.. I will definitely let you know how it goes!
> > >
> > > I've been reading your posts, and I know how you have been feeling,
> > between
> > > the weight & the other symptoms and how they affect your whole life...
> > > Sometimes when I read your posts, it's as though you have written what
I
> > > think or feel.... You have been in my thoughts and prayers. Take
> care!
> > >
> > > Clara
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Amy Crowe [mailto:amy.crowe@trism.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:19 AM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list PCOS-MEDICATION
> > > Subject: CLARA Re: PCO DIAGNOSIS 17 YEARS AGO
> > >
> > > Clara - Have you lost weight??
> > >
> > > "Avalos, Clara" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Cyrilla:
> > > >
> > > > I am low carbing, in addition to taking Met & Spironolactone, and
> while
> > > I'm
> > > > not having problems with the low-carb style diet, the killer is
always
> > my
> > > > crazy sweet tooth.... Especially for all things chocolate.
> > > >
> > > > I don't completely cut out chocolate... I would go crazy if I tried.
> > So,
> > > > instead of making sweets the spontaneous treat that they always used
> to
> > > be,
> > > > now every other day I will have 1 small piece of chocolate candy
after
> > > > dinner. Since I am limited to this, I splurge and buy the "good
> stuff"
> > > > (Belgian chocolate or something equally scrumptious), and that makes
> it
> > > > worthwhile. Other times, when I am going nuts, I will make a cup of
> > chai
> > > > (that tea-like drink that they now sell at Starbuck's & coffee & tea
> > shops
> > > > everywhere). I sweeten it with Equal, and that does the trick...
> > > >
> > > > The key to my sweet intake is, whenever I know I am going to have
> > > chocolate,
> > > > I cut out some other food with higher carbs in it, to kind of
balance
> > > > things. It's not scientific by any means, but it seems to work well
> for
> > > me.
> > > >
> > > > Clara
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cynthia Moller [mailto:cyrilla@ix.netcom.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 10:47 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list PCOS-MEDICATION
> > > > Subject: Re: PCO DIAGNOSIS 17 YEARS AGO
> > > >
> > > > Darn, you mean its all those yummy carbs and not the hormones!!!
> > > >
> > > > What do people who are lo-carbing it do when they have a real strong
> > sweet
> > > > tooth?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for sharing, its great to know that I have some support.
> > > >
> > > > Cyrilla
> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Kathy <jkmaxson@noble.cioe.com>
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list PCOS-MEDICATION
> > > > <pcos-medication@forum.obgyn.net>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 6:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: PCO DIAGNOSIS 17 YEARS AGO
> > > >
> > > > > I was first diagnosed about 14 years ago, and was also told that
it
> > was
> > > > > no big deal. The answer was BCP. I wanted to have a baby, so I
was
> > > > > given Provera and Clomid. I also have 2 "Clomid" babies that I
> thank
> > > > > God for everyday. Especially now since I know how PCOS affects
> > > > > fertility! I went along with the "no big deal" theory for quite a
> > while
> > > > > until my GYN told me that it was not good for me to go without
> > periods.
> > > > > (I never have a period unless it is drug-induced.) Personally, I
> never
> > > > > thought it was a problem!! But, after he pointed out all of the
bad
> > > > > things that can happen, I decided to do something. He put me on
> > Provera
> > > > > for a period each month, and that was that. Once I got hooked up
to
> > the
> > > > > internet, I did my own research, and I was so suprised to find out
> > that
> > > > > all of the other symptoms I had were related to my not having
> periods!
> > > > > My facial hair, my weight gain, my depression. The bad part is
> > finding
> > > > > all of this info., and not being able to find a doctor who
> understands
> > > > > any of it!
> > > > >
> > > > > I am going to see Dr. Glueck from the Jewish Hospital in
Cincinnati
> > > > > next week, and I am really hopeful. He is a leader in the insulin
> > > > > connection to PCOS, and I really hope that he can help. I know of
> one
> > > > > person who has seen him, and she told me that he was very
> > understanding.
> > > > > Right now I am on 1500mg of Met. per day, and I haven't had a
> period
> > > > > since February.
> > > > >
> > > > > About the anger - I do have some days when I can just fly into a
> rage.
> > > I
> > > > > notice that it is usually after a binge of sugar or carbs. I
really
> > had
> > > > > emotional ups and downs on Clomid.
> > > > >
> > > > > Glad to have you on board! Kathy
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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