Re: Midwives as list-members (was c/sec in 14 y/o)
From: Joseph E. Shaeffer (JSCNM@concentric.net)
Sun Nov 30 21:33:28 1997
Dr. Robertson,
Excuse me but I can't tell from your post wether you are OK with midwives on the
list or not, Malcolm supported us (midwives) and stated that we have responded
in an appropriately correct manner, your post states in BOLD letters that you
don't mind criticism from others who do surgery, we midwives do not of course do
surgery, so which is it, are you for us or againt us.
Joseph
I would like to thank all of you whom have chosen to continuously support the
position that midwives do have a place on this list and are valuable members of
this professional group, you are appreciated.
Joseph
John G. M. Robertson wrote:
> Well said Malcolm. I am glad I did not respond immediately, because I
> would not have put it as well as you did. I welcome constructive criticism
> about my surgical practices FROM OTHERS WHO DO SURGERY. Even with cases
> that are within my area of expertise, I find it necessary to ask myself if I
> really know all the details before criticizing. It never seem to be quite
> the same if you weren't there at the time.
>
> J.G.M.Robertson MD, 109-9181 Main St. Chilliwack, B.C. V2P 4M9
> (604) 793-9988 e-mail jgmr@unixg.ubc.ca
> The best we can do for one another is to exchange our thoughts freely;
> and that, after all, is about all. James A. Froude (1818-1894)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Malcolm Griffiths <Malcolm@mgriff22.demon.co.uk>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ob-gyn-l@talk.obgyn.net>
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 1997 4:53 AM
> Subject: Midwives as list-members (was c/sec in 14 y/o)
>
> >In message <3480F9F4.463@sk.sympatico.ca>, shiraz suleman
> ><suleman@sk.sympatico.ca> writes
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>Hi.Forgive me for expressing my opinion.I think we should have a site
> >>dedicated for OB's only.A lot of the issues discussed here are
> >>medico-legal in nature.
> >>I find that if you are not a Doctor ,you never fully appreciate what
> >>goes on in another physicians mind when he makes some decisions.We have
> >>all made wrong decisions in the past.Doctors tend to be more forgiving
> >>because we usually have "been there."
> >>The person was man enough to share his experiences .Let us respect that.
> >>I therefore feel that midwives should probably not be on the OB-GYN Net
> >>.
> >>There off my chest
> >
> >I have been very aware of the small number of midwives on this list.
> >Perhaps because I am one of the very samll number of ob/gyns on their
> >two lists. Occasionally I see things on their list which make me see
> >red. Sometimes I even start to compose a reply, but then I wise up and
> >press abandon/delete. My impression her too is that the small number of
> >midwives on this (ob/gyn) list tend to confine their comments to areas
> >within their practice, expertise and experience. I'm not sure that the
> >comments in this thread by midwives have gone beyond that. Clearly
> >Riocardo's practice is outwith what I would personally recognise as
> >acceptable or correct (in this matter). I too feel that he shows some
> >courage in laying himself open to criticism in this way (for which we
> >should all respect him). Nevertheless I can see no problem with polite,
> >diplomatic and constructive criticism from fellow ob/gyns or other
> >PROFESSIONALLY involved in the delivery of maternity care.
> >
> >Just my two cents!
> >Malcolm Griffiths MD,MRCOG,MFFP,Cert.Mgmnt
> >Obstetrician & Gynaecologist Luton & Dunstable Hosp.,UK.
> >Tel: 01582-497459 (office) Fax: 01582-497376
> > 01525-222849 (home) email: Malcolm@mgriff22.demon.co.uk
> >http://www.obgyn.net/board/griffith.htm
> >"CLINICAL FREEDOM IS THE LAST REFUGE OF THE CLINICALLY INCOMPETENT!"
> >(Someone [1997])
> >
--
Joseph Shaeffer ARNP/CNM
Midwives-Changing the world one baby at a time!
