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Re: vbac on demand From: Dr Eberhard Lisse (el@lisse.NA) Fri May 23 12:11:29 2008 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Henry Gregor: "Re: anybody want to spend some time working in Tahoe" Previous message: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: vbac on demand" In reply to: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: vbac on demand" Next in thread: John Robertson: "Re: vbac on demand" There are three rights here. In addition to the two mentioned below, the one of the physicians discussing physicians' issues on a phycisians' list without non-physicians' input. The point here is, for the thousand time, that the patient is abusing a statute created for emergencies only, to force a doctor who has never seen her before to perform a procedure that he doesn't want to perform. (And of course later sue him for not talking her out of this stupid idea. But that's another matter). As far as I am concerned she can have a VBAC, she can have one at home, even. No problem, stupidity is not a crime. What is however so irritating that every five minutes another witch overstaying her welcome on this list ruminates old issues. el on 5/23/08 4:42 PM DoctorJoe@aol.com said the following: > > In a message dated 5/23/08 9:54:06 AM, ajfields@pine-net.com writes: > >> Would that be that the physician's right to do whatever he wants trumps >> the patient's right to informed consent? Or that the physician's legal >> and financial risk are more important than the patient's physical risk? >> Because I really can't see how the relative risks aren't important to >> this woman's decision about her body. > > There are two "rights" here (if you ignore the baby's right): > > 1) The woman's right to take whatever risks with her body (after being > informed what the risks are). > > 2) The physician's right to practice what he feels is good medicine > (i.e. not be forced against his better judgment into a course of action > that he feels is unacceptable, given the standards, the circumstances, > etc.). > > How you balance those two "rights" is the question. > > We all talk of #1 a lot, as we should. But #1 does NOT automatically > overrule #2, by any means. > > And sometimes, although I may be getting ahead of the argument here, > there is no easy solution to the problem and it ends up being decided on > policy grounds (e.g. you can't have patients willy-nilly showing up at > hospitals and demanding unacceptable procedures or treatments when the > doctors don't think they're warranted -- it would make the "system" > unworkable). > > Joe P. > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar) el@lisse.NA el108-ARIN / * | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell) PO Box 8421 \ / Please do NOT email to this address Bachbrecht, Namibia ;____/ if it is DNS related in ANY way Next message: Henry Gregor: "Re: anybody want to spend some time working in Tahoe" Previous message: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: vbac on demand" In reply to: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: vbac on demand" Next in thread: John Robertson: "Re: vbac on demand"

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