Re: Episiotomy question

From: FRANCES WREN (fwren@shaw.ca)
Sun Feb 17 10:16:34 2008


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repair is almost always sucessful...at the time..but lots of women end up with some fecal incontinence later in life becuase the sphincter does not repair that well. frances wren

>----- Original Message -----
From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> Date: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:24 am Subject: Re: Episiotomy question To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@mail.obgyn.net>

> Allan,
>
> why don't you dig up the evidence?
>
> Wolley had a nice write up on this when he was still licensed...
>
> el
>
> On Feb 17, 2008, at 08:30, AllanHo@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 2/16/2008 6:28:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > johnprov@sympatico.ca writes:
> >
> > Anal shincter is 3rd degree, not that rare and repair is
> almost
> > always
> > successfull, 4Th degree is rectal spincter/mucosa no one in
> there
> > right
> > mind would do that on purpose, even if the repair is done
> perfectly a
> > significant amount will break down and may result in a
> recto-vaginal
> > fistula. The rectum is very elastic it will not
> slow down the
> > delievery
> > of the baby.
> >
> > --
> > Take care, John
> >
> > That's a strong opinion, John. I have to say that I am
> lucky in never
> > having had to do a procto-epis, but I wouldn't write it off
> so
> > readily. My
> > understanding for the value of a procto-episiotomy when
> shoulder
> > dystocia is
> > encountered is to make more room for the maneuvers to
> dislodge the
> > shoulders. I
> > hope I will never need to resort to one, but I think it
> is a
> > resonable option
> > during an emergency.
> >
> > Allan
> >

>

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<DIV>repair is almost always sucessful...at the time..but lots of women end up with some fecal incontinence later in life becuase the sphincter does not repair that well.</DIV>

><DIV>frances wren<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse &lt;el@lisse.na&gt;<BR>Date: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:24 am<BR>Subject: Re: Episiotomy question<BR>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L &lt;ob-gyn-l@mail.obgyn.net&gt;<BR><BR>&gt; Allan,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; why don't you dig up the evidence?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Wolley had a nice write up on this when he was still licensed...<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; el<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; On Feb 17, 2008, at 08:30, AllanHo@aol.com wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; In a message dated 2/16/2008 6:28:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,<BR>&gt; &gt; johnprov@sympatico.ca writes:<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Anal&nbsp; shincter is 3rd degree, not that rare and repair is <BR>&gt; almost&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; &gt; always<BR>&gt; &gt; successfull, 4Th degree is rectal spincter/mucosa no one in <BR>&gt; there&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; &gt; right<BR>&gt; &gt; mind would do that on purpose, even if the repair is done <BR>&gt; perfectly&nbsp; a<BR>&gt; &gt; significant amount will break dow
n and may result in a&nbsp; <BR>&gt; recto-vaginal<BR>&gt; &gt; fistula.&nbsp; The rectum is very elastic it will not <BR>&gt; slow&nbsp; down the&nbsp; <BR>&gt; &gt; delievery<BR>&gt; &gt; of the baby.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --<BR>&gt; &gt; Take care, John<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; That's a strong opinion, John.&nbsp; I have to say that I am <BR>&gt; lucky in never<BR>&gt; &gt; having had to do a procto-epis, but I wouldn't write it off <BR>&gt; so&nbsp; <BR>&gt; &gt; readily.&nbsp; My<BR>&gt; &gt; understanding for the value of&nbsp; a procto-episiotomy when <BR>&gt; shoulder&nbsp; <BR>&gt; &gt; dystocia is<BR>&gt; &gt; encountered is to&nbsp; make more room for the maneuvers to <BR>&gt; dislodge the&nbsp; <BR>&gt; &gt; shoulders.&nbsp; I<BR>&gt; &gt; hope&nbsp; I will never need to resort to one, but I think it <BR>&gt; is a&nbsp; <BR>&gt; &gt; resonable option<BR>&gt; &gt; during&nbsp; an emergency.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Allan<BR>&gt; &gt; ;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL <BR>=26gt=3B Living=2E=26gt=3B (http=3A//living=2Eaol=2Ecom/video/how-to-ple= ase-your-picky-=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B eater/rachel-campos-duffy/=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B=

&gt; </DIV>

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