OB-GYN-L Messages for December, 2007: Re: OT:35-Year-Old Woman Tasered In Front Of Customers At Best Buy

Re: OT:35-Year-Old Woman Tasered In Front Of Customers At Best Buy

From: fran wilson

530rose@msn.com

Wed Dec 26 03:36:19 2007

Louanna - I think you are seeing those days through rose colored glasses. Violence has always been a part of our culture, and the 60's were no different. Students for a Democratic Society, Vietnam Vets Against the War, and many other antiwar groups were involved in demonstrations that often ended violently. Remember Kent State? Remember the Chicago 7? Many other violent demonstrations occurred during that war, with the violence mostly initiated by the police/national guard. The Chicago 7 were on trial for "inciting a riot" at the 1968 Democratic Convention. Remember how Bobby Seale spent time shackled and gagged during the trial? Our criminal justice system at work. There was also a large environmental movement during that time (Live Without Trident (antiwar but also anti nuke), Greenpeace, Crabshell Alliance) whose demonstrations also turned violent on occasion (The Rainbow Warrier). Not to mention the Black Panthers and the race riots in Watts (I will never forget the photos of LA burning), Washington DC, etc. Mayhem at Altamonte during the Rolling Stones free concert - combination of a black guy with a gun and a bunch of drunk Hells Angels. Assassinations (Kennedy, King, Kennedy), conspiracies (true, not true - who knows?). Even in relatively peaceful Seattle, many demonstrations turned violent and health volunteers were constantly being trained in how to help people who had been victims of tear gas and other demonstration injuries. Even in the 90's, there was the 1991 beating by the police of Rodney King and the 1992 LA race riots that followed, the violent 1999 riots in Seattle re: NAFTA and even - for no particular reason -the Fat Tuesday riot in 2001.

In the 60's, there was alot more talk about Peacefulness (we were also taught "nonviolent civil disobedience (which only worked until the police started clubbing us). It does seem like the violence was more organized and predictable (some would say purposeful and effective) as opposed to now when it seems more random and without reason, but I remember a T-shirt a friend had that said "No Justice, No Peace." We still have no justice, and we still have no peace.

"Give Peace a Chance" was an idealistic appeal for less violence. Sadly, apparently John Hinckley did not respond to that appeal.

PEACE, Fran Wilson, ARNP, CNMwww.wildrosemidwife.com

Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:33:04 -0600From: westsidebirthservice@juno.comTo: ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.netSubject: Re: OT:35-Year-Old Woman Tasered In Front Of Customers At Best Buy Well, granted I didn't have a TV at that time (not good for the kiddies), but for myself and many of my peers, Vietnam made me (us) confirmed pacifists (gasp--did I say that word?) and I just don't remember (although time has a way with our brains) the exponential growth of violence during that time as seems to be going on this time around. Maybe I'm just getting old and romanticizing the "give peace a chance" aspects of the Vietnam war :) Louana -- Joe <forcep@intercom.net> wrote:Gosh, you must have not watched the nightly Vietnam videos on TV. Merri Xmas. Joe Cwestsidebirthservice@juno.com wrote:> What do you think--violence is increasing here and around the world or > are we just more aware of it? Not to bait anyone, but possibly the Iraq > war and the amount of publicity of it's violence has decreased our > collective threshold for violence?> > Well, happy holidays anyway :)> > Louana> > -- johnprov@sympatico.ca (Dr. John Provatopoulos B.Sc. M.D.C.M. > F.R.S.C.) wrote:> I hope everyone is done with thier holiday shoping.> > http://http://www.wftv.com/print/14898682/detail.html#> > --> Take care, John>

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