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Re: 'There is no gold standard for decision-to-incision time' ??? From: emilio porro (sanbonav@hotmail.com) Mon Oct 8 13:33:37 2007 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: FRANCES WREN: "Re: what to do now" Previous message: Dr. John Provatopoulos B.Sc. M.D.C.M. F.R.S.C.: "Re: 'There is no gold standard for decision-to-incision time' ???" In reply to: R. Daniel Braun: "Re: 'There is no gold standard for decision-to-incision time' ???" Next in thread: emilio porro: "Re: 'There is no gold standard for decision-to-incision time' ???" I think we must remember (for clinical and medicolegal problems )for which reason or reasons we do or we don't do a cesarean section that is a surgical intervention with a minimal but present surgical and anaesthesiological risk and conditioning obstetrical future of the patient. Yours faithfully Emilio Porro Como-Italy http://www.sanbonaventura.com Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 04:23:30 -0500 From: rd.braun@gmail.com To: ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net Subject: Re: 'There is no gold standard for decision-to-incision time' ??? Nor would I, but it wiuld probably be the right thing. Dan On 10/7/07, Raymond Stephen <stephen.raymond@dhhs.tas.gov.au > wrote: In my view, there is rarely an indication to section for a dead baby, BUT informing a mother on the table that her baby is dead and you are not going to proceed with the Caesar after all, is not a situation I would relish! Steve From: = ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of R. Daniel Braun Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 10:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L Subject: Re: 'There is no gold standard for decision-to-incision time' ??? If your indication for the section is fetal distress, certainly. You no longer have that indication. Or do you section people for a dead baby? Dan On 10/7/07, Raymond Stephen < stephen.raymond@dhhs.tas.gov.au> wrote: So if you find there are no fetal heart sounds as the last person arrives, what do you do then? Stand down the team and allow to deliver vaginally? Steve From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of R. Daniel Braun Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2007 12:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L Subject: Re: 'There is no gold standard for decision-to-incision time' ??? Question relating to the case presented. How long from last listening for FHT's and incision? It is easy to stand around in the OR waiting for that last member of the team to arrive and then just make the incision when they get there. One should always know whether or not there is a heart beat before making the incision. IMHO. With a one and 5 minute apgar of "0", I find it hard to believe that there were ht. tones present in the last 3-5 minutes befor the incision. Dan On 10/6/07, Efrain Ramirez <eramirezt@coqui.net> wrote: There is no gold standard for decision-to-incision time Don't accommodate plaintiff's attorneys who have reinvented an intended guideline as a requirement! CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER The information in this transmission may be confidential and/or protected by legal professional privilege, and is intended only for the person or persons to whom it is addressed. If you are not such a person, you are warned that any disclosure, copying or dissemination of the information is unauthorised. If you have received the transmission in error, please immediately contact this office by telephone, fax or email, to inform us of the error and to enable arrangements to be made for the destruction of the transmission, or its return at our cost. No liability is accepted for any unauthorised use of the information contained in this transmission. 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