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=?utf-8?q?Yanıt: Re: May a gynecologist refuse to perf? =?utf-8?q?orm a voluntary termination of pregnancy? From: =?utf-8?q?Dr. Bülent Potur?= (bpotur@yahoo.com) Wed Jun 27 12:33:10 2007 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Andrew Folley: "Re: May a gynecologist refuse to perform a voluntary termination of pregnancy" Previous message: art fougner, md: "Re: May a gynecologist refuse to perform a voluntary termination of pregnancy" In reply to: Andrew Folley: "Re: May a gynecologist refuse to perform a voluntary termination of pregnancy" Next in thread: Raymond Stephen: "Re: May a gynaecologist refuse to perform a voluntary termination of pregnancy" Andrew, I think the whole thread started in another list which I am not a member. It seems that a head of a civilian administration in a district or province, such as a prefect or governor forced the gyns to perform abortions in a state hospital. One of the gyns asked the issue to the list of law of medicine. Several professors replied as "If the gyn is a state employee then he or she must do abortions on demand else he or she must quit the job." I personally objected this view and wrote several mails. I even got help from French gynelist and wrote about the Simone Veil law to the Turkish lists. But yesterday this professor wrote and repeated her view in the Turkish internet publication medimagazin. So discussion restarted. The majority of Turkish obgyns perform termination of pregnancy on request. But because this is an elective procedure they prefer to do it in their private offices. So it is somewhat expensive. The underlying reason in this dispute is the unrespect of the basic law of offer and demand. Nearly all of the hospitals, social security system is owned and controlled by the state. So instead of creating a demand, governments easily apply some laws passed by the coup governments and for example send the young doctors to an additional forced state service and confiscate their diplomas or certificate of specialization till the end of this 2 year period. Even after many elections from the coup, the coup laws are still applied. The law of the legalization of abortion was also a law of the latest coup government. At the persent time there is a conservative government. So they probably won't insist on state employees performing abortions in state hospitals. But after the next months election if things change personally I still do not expect acts against basic human rights. Regards. Bulent Potur M.D. Obgyn. --- Andrew Folley <agfolley@hotmail.com> wrote: > Bulent > It is time for the men and women Ob-Gyns in Turkey > to take a stand. The > Turkish law does not mandate obgyns to have to do > abortions. Tell the young > turks to stick their suction curette. > agf > > >From: "Dr. Bülent Potur" <bpotur@yahoo.com> > >Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net > >To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L > <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net> > >Subject: Re: May a gynecologist refuse to perform a > voluntary termination > >of pregnancy Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:33:02 -0500 > > > >Dear Doctor Joe, > >Abortion was forbidden in Turkey till 1983. The law > of > >1983 allowed the voluntary termination of pregnancy > >till the 10th week of pregnancy. The law and the > rules > >and regulations of the law state that evacuation of > >the uterus is done in the hospital and in the > offices > >of gynecologists. General practitioners may perform > >menstrual regulations in the hospital under the > >supervision of Obgyn's. So the law only allows and > >depicts the conditions necessary for uterine > >evacuation. In nowhere in the law is there the > words > >"gynecologists are obliged to evacuate the uteri of > >applicant gravid women." But for the last month in > the > >Turkish gynecologists list there has been a group > of > >gynecologists who claim that the gynecologists who > do > >not perform uterine evacuations on demand should > >resign or should be dismissed from working as state > >employees. > >The reason why I brought this thread to this list > is a > >discussion of yesterday. A gynecologist wrote that > she > >has been working in the United States for a long > time. > >Although a conscientious objection against abortion > >respected in the US, the physician who does not > >perform the abortion must refer the patient to a > >center of abortion or a colleague who performs > >abortions without delay. But if there is nobody or > no > >institution around which performs the operation and > >the patient is neither transferred to another place > >then the state employee gynecologist physician has > to > >perform the abortion even if it is totally against > his > >conscience, religion or similar. > >Is this really the case in the US or any state of > the > >US? I would really appreciate some comments, > >experiences or references. > >Thanks a lot. > > > >Bulent Potur M.D. Obgyn. > >Kirikkale TURKEY > > > >--- DoctorJoe@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/27/2007 3:58:56 A.M. > Central > > > Daylight Time, > > > bpotur@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > Can a > > > gynecologist working only for the state, a civil > > > servant gynecologist, refuse to perform a > voluntary > > > termination of pregnancy? > > > > > > I would think that this question ultimately > depends > > > upon the laws and > > > constitution of the country where you live. In > the > > > U.S. you cannot make someone do > > > something that is religiously objectionable to > them. > > > The State cannot > > > interfere in religious matters. I don't know how > the > > > laws are written in Turkey. > > > > > > Joe P. > > > > > > > >Istenmeyen postadan biktiniz mi? Istenmeyen > postadan en iyi korunma > >Yahoo! Posta'da > Istenmeyen postadan biktiniz mi? Istenmeyen postadan en iyi korunma Yahoo! Posta’da Next message: Andrew Folley: "Re: May a gynecologist refuse to perform a voluntary termination of pregnancy" Previous message: art fougner, md: "Re: May a gynecologist refuse to perform a voluntary termination of pregnancy" In reply to: Andrew Folley: "Re: May a gynecologist refuse to perform a voluntary termination of pregnancy" Next in thread: Raymond Stephen: "Re: May a gynaecologist refuse to perform a voluntary termination of pregnancy"

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