Re: Was Bilateral dermoids Now EL's view of US health care system
From: art fougner, md (evsono@pipeline.com)
Sun Mar 11 08:30:42 2007
Speaking of healthcare systems, the UK seems to be experiencing more
than statistical anomalies with OB care.
http://nhsblogdoc.blogspot.com/2007/03/how-many-mothers-and-babies-have-to-die.html
Art
At Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>
>Dan,
>
>on 3/10/07 8:53 PM R. Daniel Braun said the following:
>
>>>Infant mortality, maternal mortality, teenage pregnancies are neither on
>>>the top in absolute figures, nor in relative figures, taking expenditure
>>>into account. Access to health care? Disposable income by Ob&Gyns?
>
>> Infant Mortality: Great measure of how well parents can take care of an
>> infant once it goes home. Not worth a hoot at measuring quality of
>> Medical care. BTW, when measured on a bitrht weight to birth weight
>> basis, the US perinatal mortality is quite a bit better than anyone
>> else's. The overall problem is the incidence of preterm delivery. This
>> seems to be a socio-religious problem, since it seems to arise from
>> teenage and otherwise unwanted prgnancies.
>
>If I applied myself hard enough I could probably find a statistical
>figure where Namibia shines. However, I stand by my statement. In
>particular since I haven't found nowhere that only the affluent and
>educated are allowed to have children.
>
>Never mind that I seem to have mentioned teenage pregnancies :-)-O
>
>> Maternal Mortality: I didn't know that 8/100,000 pregnancies was so
>> bad. especially when all deaths of pregnant women and women who have
>> been pregnant in the last year are included in that number.
>> Teen age pregnancies are a social religious problem and have little if
>> anything to do with medical care.
>
>I didn't say it was so bad, *HE* said the US health (and implied the OB)
>system was the best in the world. And that just ain't so. We have been
>over the figures, before. 8/100000 is shocking, in fact.
>
>> Taking expenditure into account: you got me there. The amount of waste
>> in our system is way up there. e.g.: Pre-eclamptic labs ( alll you need
>> to R/O HELLP syndrome is a platelet count and you are going to get one
>> anyway so that anesthesia will consent to putting in an epidural What do
>> most folks get? Complete liver panel that's what.) Waste Waste
>
>There you go
>
>> Access to Health Care: If you don't care about going bankrupt, you can
>> get health care.
>
>Actually that's true but irrelevant.
>
>> Disposable income by OB-GYN's: I don't know about anyone else, but I am
>> comfortable and happy. Far from being rich, but comfortable.
>
>Yes, sure, but why did you wrote the other day you left to become a CMT?
>:-)-O
>
>greetings, el
>
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