Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
From: Efrain Ramirez (eramirezt@coqui.net)
Wed Jan 3 17:11:17 2007
I feel that way for my patients - I bet you too -
Ef
At Wed, 03 Jan 2007, Bernard Cristalli wrote:
>
>Full of compassion
>"feeling or showing sympathy and/ or concern for others"
>Bernard
>
>Efrain Ramirez a crit :
>> What do you mean by compassionate?
>>
>> Ef
>>
>>> At Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Bernard Cristalli wrote:
>>>
>>> A midwife is way cheaper and supposed to be more compassionate.
>>> Bad weather for the Obs.
>>> Bernard
>>>
>>> Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Andrew,
>>>>
>>>> to be really honest: And Why Not? I could not care less how I get the
>>>> baby out. It is the outcome that counts, not the way it is achieved or
>>>> by whom.
>>>>
>>>> el
>>>>
>>>> on 1/3/07 7:18 PM Andrew Folley said the following:
>>>>
>>>>> Bernard, your challenge is somewhat inflammatory but I agree with you
>>>>> 100%. The next generation of OB's will be those that allow the baby to
>>>>> fall out spontaneosuly or they do a c-section and all twins breeches and
>>>>> LGA infants are automatic c-sections. If this is what our speicalty has
>>>>> come to we would be better served by mandating all pregnant women see
>>>>> midwives only and have our surgical colleagues take an additional 3
>>>>> months of training and do the c-sections. agf
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Bernard Cristalli <bcrist@club-internet.fr>
>>>>>> Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
>>>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:50:20 -0600
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To all those who stopped VBACs, vaginal breeches or twins...
>>>>>> Quit obstetrics then, midwives can do exactly the same as you do (and
>>>>>> sometimes better).
>>>>>> That's what I told a journalist when he asked me what I felt the
>>>>>> future of this profession will be. I answered: "disparition of normal
>>>>>> VD".
>>>>>> In the future there will be midwives for VDs (quite normal single,
>>>>>> vertex pregnancies and deliveries) and surgeons for the rest.
>>>>>> Bernard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tell them the same, and no more twins and no more breeches. I have had
>>>>>>> one single patient that went shopping for VABC. Have seen her once on
>>>>>>> the street since, she had a C/S anyway :-)-O
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> el
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on 1/3/07 1:14 AM Efrain Ramirez said the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tell my patients from the start that I don't do VBAC's anymore - if
>>>>>>>> they want a trial they can go to someone else - and I don't know if
>>>>>>>> THAT
>>>>>>>> is good enough - eventually, all will be decided at the Circus... may
>>>>>>>> the best gladiator win..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ef
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ef,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't agree with the psychobabble blahblah, but a proforma consent
>>>>>>>>> isn't worth the paper it is signed on. We all know it and still, some
>>>>>>>>> continue to do it and then wonder why they get stung.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Men of Steel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> el
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on 1/3/07 12:51 AM Efrain Ramirez said the following:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh---lawyers!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> “ The greatest obstacle to knowledge is not ignorance, it is the
>>>>>>>> illusion of knowledge.†Daniel J. Boorstin - Historian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>> --
>> The greatest obstacle to knowledge is not ignorance,
>> it is the illusion of knowledge. Daniel J. Boorstin - Historian
>>
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The greatest obstacle to knowledge is not ignorance,
it is the illusion of knowledge. Daniel J. Boorstin - Historian
