Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
From: Anna Meenan, MD (annam@uic.edu)
Wed Jan 3 13:22:20 2007
Aye.
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Anna Meenan, MD
At Wed, 03 Jan 2007, Andrew Folley wrote:
>
>All in favor of turning over all pregnant women in USA to midwives say "aye"
>Lets focus on gynecology. agf
>
>>From: Bernard Cristalli <bcrist@club-internet.fr>
>>Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
>>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>>Subject: Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
>>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:32:59 -0600
>>
>>A midwife is way cheaper and supposed to be more compassionate.
>>Bad weather for the Obs.
>>Bernard
>>
>>Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
>>>Andrew,
>>>
>>>to be really honest: And Why Not? I could not care less how I get the
>>>baby out. It is the outcome that counts, not the way it is achieved or
>>>by whom.
>>>
>>>el
>>>
>>>on 1/3/07 7:18 PM Andrew Folley said the following:
>>>
>>>>Bernard, your challenge is somewhat inflammatory but I agree with you
>>>>100%. The next generation of OB's will be those that allow the baby to
>>>>fall out spontaneosuly or they do a c-section and all twins breeches and
>>>>LGA infants are automatic c-sections. If this is what our speicalty has
>>>>come to we would be better served by mandating all pregnant women see
>>>>midwives only and have our surgical colleagues take an additional 3
>>>>months of training and do the c-sections. agf
>>>>
>>>>>From: Bernard Cristalli <bcrist@club-internet.fr>
>>>>>Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
>>>>>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>>>>>Subject: Re: .5 million awarded to cesarean mom
>>>>>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:50:20 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>>To all those who stopped VBACs, vaginal breeches or twins...
>>>>>Quit obstetrics then, midwives can do exactly the same as you do (and
>>>>>sometimes better).
>>>>>That's what I told a journalist when he asked me what I felt the
>>>>>future of this profession will be. I answered: "disparition of normal
>>>>>VD".
>>>>>In the future there will be midwives for VDs (quite normal single,
>>>>>vertex pregnancies and deliveries) and surgeons for the rest.
>>>>>Bernard
>>>>>
>>>>>Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>>Exactly,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I tell them the same, and no more twins and no more breeches. I have
>>>>>>had
>>>>>>one single patient that went shopping for VABC. Have seen her once on
>>>>>>the street since, she had a C/S anyway :-)-O
>>>>>>
>>>>>>el
>>>>>>
>>>>>>on 1/3/07 1:14 AM Efrain Ramirez said the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I tell my patients from the start that I don't do VBAC's anymore - if
>>>>>>>they want a trial they can go to someone else - and I don't know if
>>>>>>>THAT
>>>>>>>is good enough - eventually, all will be decided at the Circus... may
>>>>>>>the best gladiator win..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ef
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ef,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't agree with the psychobabble blahblah, but a proforma consent
>>>>>>>>isn't worth the paper it is signed on. We all know it and still, some
>>>>>>>>continue to do it and then wonder why they get stung.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Men of Steel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>el
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>on 1/3/07 12:51 AM Efrain Ramirez said the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Oh---lawyers!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>“ The greatest obstacle to knowledge is not ignorance, it is the
>>>>>>>illusion of knowledge.� Daniel J. Boorstin - Historian
>>>>>>>
>>>>
