Re: CNM asking questions for the OBs

From: Dr Eberhard Lisse (el@lisse.NA)
Sun Apr 16 13:37:51 2006


In Germany, entry into Medical School is regulated by law, since education is a constitutional right that the government *HAS* to provide, and all but one Medical Schools are State Institutions.

Employment, though is not a right, and employment starts in Residency...

When I graduated from High School in 1976 the rules were so that you either had straight A average, or you waited for 5-6 years (for Mature Entry). A class mate of mine pissed of one teacher and she purposefully lowerd his grade by one so he would not get into Medical School. Fortunately our history/social science teacher noticed and upped his grade by one.

I pissed her off too and she lowered mine by two but I couldn't care less since I had figured out already three years prior that I would never make the grade required, so I didn't try and had fun.

We did send her an un-invitation to the graduation ball, though. In writing :-)-O

So, nursing it was, had fun, and I got in after 5 years. Paid my way through school doing two night shifts a week (Tuesdays, because I managed to schedule my Wednesday classes for the afternoon) and F>riday, because we didn't have classes on Saturday.

It has changed now to a combination of grades, aptitude test, interview, waiting time, and relevant training (ie Nursing) so you can improve your situation a bit easier. And if you are patient you'll get in anyway.

Not the worst way of doing it in my view.

And, since it is a state thing, you can even sue if they don't admit you, which led to a gross overpopulation of the Medical Schools in the 80s. If they don't admit they must show that they do this for a reason, and one reason easily attacked was the class size. Courts like to have a formula by which they can check whether the class is appropriate. So if they put in a parking area this may affect. But if they appoint a Professor it *DOES* affect, and often they appointed after the admission date but before the court date, which lead to sucessful suits in the beginning and prophylactic increases every semester.

And, yes, you could also sue if you flunked your exams. In fact when I started the second year exam failure rate went up from 17% to50%. Courts didn't like it and so they lowered it artificially to 17% again, and built in some anchors to avoid this situation, ie you pass if you have 50% or a percentage of the first time passers average.

greetings, el

el

Joanne Bulley, MD wrote: > but even if one is the last in the class - the person is still
> (porbably( pretty darn smart. You had the top fo the HS classes go to
> the premed stuff in college -- then the top of that goes to med school.
> So you have a whole bunck of smart people in the med school to begin
> with. And then the ones of them that "don't test well" (as described by
> El) happen to be the "bottom" of the class.





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