Re: Not really Kick Counts
From: Andrew Folley (agfolley@hotmail.com)
Tue Dec 20 11:27:57 2005
At lerast in Toeldo and I suspect most mamjor cities pap smears and colpos
etc are available at the numerous clinics that are available and run by CNMW
and residents and Doctors etc. Certainly true life threatening emergency
services are available to all in this country.
If your liberal based argument is that everyone in America is entitled to
equal dental care and health care than you are quite right, we are lacking.
Basic health is a right in this country and is provided. The question as to
what level remains under debate. What you are looking for is an entitlement
program bigger and more expensive than what we already have.
We do not purport to be one of the most advanced in the world, we are indeed
the most advanced as far as I know. We may try to tell the rest of the
world how to run their business but
often times it is when they are in the business of human atrocities and
genocide. I for one am not at all ashamed of the United States. We have many
problems in the health care related to insurance etc that need to be remided
but show me a better model that works when dealing with a population of 300
million people of diverse ethnic backgrounds.
We can provide all the monies you want for preventative health care by
taking all of our little 22 to 28 weekers off the vents and NICU care at
250,000 to 500,000 a pop, or pulling the plug on all the elderly after 80
years of age so they are not getting their heart and heip surgeries etc.
Be careful before you start using the guilt guerrilla about not taking care
of people. We are not perfect but you do not see anyone flooding the gates
to get into Canada or the UK or any ohter country in the world to have
access to their wonderful health care system.
>From: "fran wilson" <530rose@msn.com>
>Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts
>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:18:50 -0600
>
>I know several women right now with abnormal paps that can't get a colpo
>because they don't have money. Routine preventative care is not covered in
>the ER. Until it is too late. They may be able to afford my sliding scale
>pap smears but, unless they are really savvy, they have a hard time
>qualifying for intermediate care.
>
>And many folks don't have adequate health care for their diabetes, etc,
>because they are undocumented. And dental care - don't even get me started
>on that! Even with my good insurance, I plan to go to Mexico for some
>bridgework.
>
>McDonalds workers and 20 somethings without kids living just above the
>poverty line just put up with or self medicate for alot of symptoms before
>they get bad enough to go to the ER. And by then, the problem has grown to
>expensive and disabling.
>
>It is not because they are watching TV, it is because they went to the ER
>once and ended up with a bill for a couple thousand dollars, that went to
>collections because they could not pay, that has now caused them the grief
>of not being able to get a decent apartment, a car, and sometimes even a
>job. Many of our service workers in this country - that keep the prices
>down and the unpleasant tasks done - have no access to primary care. And
>many of us with insurance (the more well off) OR with medicaid or medicare
>keep voting against a national health care plan because we might have to
>pay more taxes. Well, let me clue you, those ER visits, bad debts, and
>disability payments for what could have been found and treated during
>preventative care are what will end up costing us more money in the long
>run.
>
>You are kidding yourselves if you think everyone can get health care in the
>US just by going to the ER, and expecting the ER to be someones primary
>care is saving a penny in preventative care in order to spend a dollar in
>treatment and disability.
>
>A country that purports to be one of the most advanced in the world (and
>tries to tell the world how to run their business) ought to be ashamed!
>Think of those people as your families join around the holiday tree - or
>whatever is your prefernce - and enjoy expensive gifts and bountiful food.
>The missions and, in many cases, the bridge underpasses are full of
>disenfranchised people who not only have no health care they also have no
>food or shelter.
>
>Warm Solstice Greetings!
>
>Fran Wilson, CNM
>
>From: doctorjoe@aol.com
>Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts
>Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:22:25 -0600
>
>Only anecdotes I know of are because the patient ELECTED to abstain from
>medical care. Other things are more important, like staying at home and
>watching TV, etc.
>
>Joe P.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andrew Folley <agfolley@hotmail.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
>Sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:16:17 -0600
>Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts
>
>Does anyone know of any women in the US who has not recieved health care or
>does not have health care access available to her because of racial, age or
>financial reasons?
>
> >From: Dr Eberhard Lisse <el@lisse.NA>
> >Reply-To: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net
> >To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@dns.obgyn.net>
> >Subject: Re: Not really Kick Counts
> >Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:16:08 -0600
> >
> >Zach,
> >
> >when you reach my age, you'll realize that I enjoy my posts :-)-O
> >
> >I was not posting to the US medical community but to one
>clueless
> >individual, though I do stand by the failures of society.
> >
> >In ! some countries the laws mandate health care for all, if only by the
> >year 2010, 2020, 2030...
> >
> >The reason why this is not the case is because lions do not eat hyenas,
> >hyenas share the spoils of lions' kills, thogh perhaps the lions don't
> >like it :-)-O
> >
> >Same to you.
> >
> >el
> >
> >Zachariah Newton wrote:
> > > Eberhard-
> > >
> > > You paint with a broader brush than Jackson Pollock, who threw paint
> > > from cans against a palette.
> > >
> > > In the US, the medical community does have some handle on the
> > > lowest-common-denominator style of
>the NHS, deplorable as it might be in
> > > operation.
> > >
> > > The laws in the U.S. mandate that accessibility to the health care
> > > system b! e open to all, regardless of ability to pay, via the
>emergency
> > > room door of access.
> > >
> > > Your energy might be better spent by giving us pictures of the lion
> > > catching a hyena, which is not the case with your prior message.
> > >
> > > In true joy, sincerely, Merry Christmas to you and your loving
>family.
> > >
> > > Zach
>
>
