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Sent: Mon 8/8/2005 12:07 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
Subject: Re: Catgut
I understand the high rate of failure.
BC
Charlie Chambers a écrit :
Yep, plain gut for Pomeroy's. Any modification has merely decreased the efficacy, such as other suture materials, cautery of the cut ends, etc.
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On Aug 8, 2005, at 4:17 AM, Larry Glazerman wrote:=20
My understanding is that the original work by Pomeroy used the fact that when catgut was used, the two ends of the tube didn't stay in approximation for very long, therefore the risk of fistula was decreased. I can't prove that, but that's why I remember always using catgut for tubals
Larry R. Glazerman, MD
Ob-Gyn at Trexlertown, PC
610-402-0161
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From: <mailto:l.glazerman@rcn.com> ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of Bernard Cristalli
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:59 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
Subject: Re: Catgut
That's gambling.
What you want is temporary TL?
BC
Elrod Darryl G MAJ 48 MDOS/SGOBO a écrit :
I only use plain gut for postpartum or c-section tubal ligations. I can't think of any place else it would benefit.
Glen
From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of Henry Gregor
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:38 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
Subject: Catgut
Good - very good - observations by Sam. Prompts the additional question of is there a desirable time/place/procedure in any surgery for which catgut would be a preferred suture? Probably not, I suspect but all thoughts welcome.
Hank Gregor
"Atkinson, Samuel M" <ATKINSONS@mail.ecu.edu> <mailto:ATKINSONS@mail.ecu.edu> < wrote:
You will find the complete reference on the subject in the August issue of Obstetrics and Gynecology (The Green Journal on page 275.)
Reference 6 is the article by Tulandi et al from Montreal published in 1988 in AJOG stated that there were more adhesions when the peritoneum was closed. In a recent publication letter to the editor they again referenced their article which, evidently very few people ever read. NO WONDER . They closed the peritoneum with PLAIN CATGUT-the most inflammatory suture one can use. To quote Michelle Duchinski in TeLinde "...disadvantages include intense inflammatory scarring ." "Catgut should not be routinely used in gynecologic surgery. Indeed there remains little indication for the use of catgut in any gynecologic surgical procedure." P 232, seventh edition. No wonder they found more adhesions in reperitonealized patients. Two horrible wrongs do not equal a right. At last, a level II data paper putting an end to this BS.
I suspect our other subscriber who entered the bladder -when she looks up the previous OP note-will find that the peritoneum was not closed-thus the bladder was adherent to the ant abdominal wall and no way could one avoid a bladder entry.
By using a monofilament, poly gycolic fine suture and not pulling the peritoneum up tight into a water tight seal, as many of us were taught in the dark ages, there will be significantly less adhesions than if one leaves the peritoneum open. Loosely approximate with non braided polyglycolic suture.
Sam Atkinson
From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of Julio Arellano
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:39 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L
Subject: New paper - Peritoneum closure
Dear colleagues:
A new outlook on parietal peritoneum closure in c-section:
http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/251a56.htm <http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/251a56.httm>
I'd like to know your opinion on this matter (here, in my country, we still discuss about it).
Julio C. Arellano
La Plata. Buenos Aires.
Argentina.
aarellano@netverk.com.ar <mailto:arellano@netverk.com.ar>
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