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Re: The Enemy of Women -Thought-provoking(Long) From: Joanne Bulley, MD (islesannie@yahoo.com) Tue May 4 21:51:44 2004 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Garry E. Siegel, M.D.: "Re: OB: AFP/multiple marker dating" Previous message: Anna Meenan, MD: "Re: OB: AFP/multiple marker dating" In reply to: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: The Enemy of Women -Thought-provoking(Long)" Next in thread: art fougner, md: "Re: The Enemy of Women -Thought-provoking(Long)" Reply: art fougner, md: "Re: The Enemy of Women -Thought-provoking(Long)" Joe, I agree - and - I am not a true pacifist (against all wars etc) - nor am I a full Pro-Lifer -- those are not my causes. I think each of us must answer to that Power which most believe in - whether one is a Catholic - or Jew - or Buddhist - or Muslim - or Humanist - or Atheist. For each person (as I see it - which could be wrong, for sure) there ends up being something which guides one's judgement. For some it is a religious doctrine that says you will suffer in Hell forever - for others there is an internal code of morality - but nearly every human has something that helps guide decisions and behavior. Those that don't seem to usually end up being considered sociopaths. I do know folks who are full pacifists - and those that are complete Pro-lifers. There are also those against "war" - of one contry toward another - but not against self defense. Human Beings come in all types - and many philosopshies. My problem is those that use the "Pro-life" statement as a holier-than-thou statement implying that to allow an individual to listen to her own ethics and choose to have an abortion is more evil than the "kill whatever" attitude that I have observed in the extremist & very vocal "Pro-life" individuals have about other people and situations. It is fine to have an opinion about abortion - don't ever do one - encourage others to not have them - etc. All I ask is for folks think about what is meant by declaring a "Pro-life" stance. Yes there are those true Pacifists who would not engage in even self defense. Those are extremely few. Hence my belligerent attitude about the labe of "Pro-Life" -- it is an extremely rare human being (I think) who can truly say that there is no instance where the taking of another life is an acceptable decison. At Tue, 4 May 2004, DoctorJoe@aol.com wrote: > >Not to nit pick.... > >"Against all wars" includes a (mistakenly applied) blanket condemnation of >self-defense. If you're an avowed pacifist, and by definition you'd sit by idly >and watch someone kill a family member, or yourself, or rob them and bodily >harm them, etc., then I don't believe in your cause. Just because I don't want >to kill innocent children, or the incarcerated, or whatever, doesn't mean I >wouldn't bend, fold, mutilate and strangle someone who, for example, tried to >hurt one of my kids. Sorry. > >The logical conclusion to that is, if someone tried to hurt my country and >kill the people in it, including my children, then I (or my agents, the U.S. >Armed Forces) will definitely proceed to the bend, fold, and mutilate action as >soon as humanly possible. Not sorry. > >Joe P. -- Joanne Bulley, MD Keene, NH, USA ----- Mission Accomplished? 5/1/03: major combat operations are over in Iraq. We won. Mission Unaccomplished. 5/1/04: 131 US troops killed in April 2004 alone. 734 total, 596 since "we won". "There are no longer torture chambers or rape rooms or mass graves in Iraq." - GW Bush, 4/30/04 "U.S. Army report that Iraqi detainees were subjected to "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad." - CBS News 4/30/04. Torture including rape, sodomization, electrocution, humiliation, dog attacks. - all photographed by smiling US soldiers. My duty is to speak. I have no wish to be an accomplice. Next message: Garry E. Siegel, M.D.: "Re: OB: AFP/multiple marker dating" Previous message: Anna Meenan, MD: "Re: OB: AFP/multiple marker dating" In reply to: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: The Enemy of Women -Thought-provoking(Long)" Next in thread: art fougner, md: "Re: The Enemy of Women -Thought-provoking(Long)" Reply: art fougner, md: "Re: The Enemy of Women -Thought-provoking(Long)"

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