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Re: Saliva testing From: Charlie Chambers (cchamber@gorge.net) Sat Jan 10 19:04:37 2004 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Abdul Raman Lilla: "Re: ? Failed TVT" Previous message: Karen Lee: "Re: Saliva testing" In reply to: Karen Lee: "Re: Saliva testing" Next in thread: Joanne Bulley, MD: "Re: Saliva testing" Reply: Joanne Bulley, MD: "Re: Saliva testing" Karen I agree with your concern. In my humble opinion, so many of these quasi-science endeavors are out there. I try to avoid being too much of the negativist with the patients. Instead, I ask them to get the literature citations from whomever is suggesting this "therapy", and would be glad to review and do a medline search for them. I suggest that the same critical approach they take with anything I suggest (i.e. safety, proof of efficacy) should apply to these "natural regimens" as well. Also, specifically with progesterone, I show them the lab ranges of normal to help them understand the huge variations in the normal patient. I think you are already on the road to realizing that something at a display doesn't suggest clinical validity, just as everything you hear from the RX rep. Dan, if we hear Ducks, can we bring shotguns? ************************************************************************ ****** Charlie Chambers Hood River, OR USA cchamber@alumni.rice.edu "All good things...come by grace, and grace comes by art, and art does not come easy." Norman Maclean ************************************************************************ ******* On Jan 10, 2004, at 5:21 PM, Karen Lee wrote: > Well, that's what worries me. The naturopaths > have bought into this big time and are making big > money on tests that tell post menopausal women > that their hormones are not in balance because > "see how low your progesterone is"! The local > pharmacist made a visit to my office to show and > tell all the BHRT modes of delivery and to sell > me on saliva testing. I have seen displays at > legitimate OB/GYN conferences so that's why I'm > asking your opinions. > > Karen > > --- "Braun, R. Daniel" <rbraun@iupui.edu> wrote: >> Do I hear DUCKS????? >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net >> [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net] On Behalf Of Karen >> Lee >> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:59 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L >> Subject: Saliva testing >> >> Are any of you utilizing saliva testing for >> hormone levels? If so, in what context? I have >> done a google search and by page 10 I had not >> reached a site from a university or other known >> source. Are we dealing with a new 'snake oil' >> situation? I have resisted using this because >> the >> patients who have brought in their results >> which >> were obtained from a kit bought in their >> pharmacy >> had little or no use. One of the local >> pharmacists is doing hormone testing >> 'counselling'. Your thoughts? >> >> Karen Lee, ARNP >> Woman to Woman >> 110 N. Laventure Suite C >> Mount Vernon, WA 98273 > Next message: Abdul Raman Lilla: "Re: ? Failed TVT" Previous message: Karen Lee: "Re: Saliva testing" In reply to: Karen Lee: "Re: Saliva testing" Next in thread: Joanne Bulley, MD: "Re: Saliva testing" Reply: Joanne Bulley, MD: "Re: Saliva testing"

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