Re: Hager and arrogance
From: art fougner, md (evsono@pipeline.com)
Thu Feb 13 06:08:43 2003
newsflash - Bush won - get over it. as far as Dr. Hager - govt inertia
pulls the extremes toward the center. besides, with what's been in the
news lately - we have more important issues confronting us.
just my opinion - i could be wrong.
art
At Wed, 12 Feb 2003, David Priver, MD wrote:
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>Very interesting. Looks like another wacko appointment from the Bush
>administration, right out of the Ashcroft mold. None of this would have
>happened, Mark, if you guys in Florida knew how to mark a ballot!
>
>At Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Mark Jutras wrote:
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>>I knew Hager. He was an attending when I was a resident at the U of KY. He is a very smart guy. Did an ID fellowship at CDC after his OB/GYN residency. Knew his stuff backwards and forwards. However, the residents did not like him as he was the most arrogant son of a preacher we had to deal with. Interestingly, we respected a guy named Mike Guiler much more because he was open to new ideas and showed no arrogance. This is the same David Michael Guiler we have been talking about. The one who burned UK into the uterus before removing it, and videotaped it,and gave a copy of the tape to the patient. When I read things like that I have to ask myself what half backed idea do I have or what routine thing am I doing that others would interpret as a bit off center.
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>>Hager started being more open to showing this ultra-religious side at our resident presentation dinner in my 3rd year. After the usual comedy routine he got serious and started to talk about our duty not only to the patients physical health but also to their spiritual health and how it was our duty to make clear our own values and practice within those values: ie: his not prescribing contraceptives to unmarried women. This sounds rather holistic the way I have related it but it was clear in his words that he was telling us to not accept differences of opinion or life choices and to view life in narrow terms. We were all a bit taken aback and I initially though maybe this was his reaction to having to see all those young girls with PID and abscess. Obviously he was being very literal.
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>>The most arrogant action I saw was by one of his partners who baptized every baby he delivered. After cutting the cord he would make a very calm comment about never getting to hold the babies and would cradle the baby as he turned his back to the parents and went to the water basin to baptize the baby. I cannot recall every seeing Dave do this.
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>>I have been a lot of places, U of TX, U of KY, U of MN, and finally U. of MS before moving to Orlando. I saw arrogance everywhere (least amount in MN). I assume we are all capable of it - I am constantly told I am (either that are I am a simple * (use Vonnegut's interpretation of symbol).
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>>Mark Jutras,MD
>>Orlando, FL
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art fougner, md
ich bin ein New Yorker
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