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Ynt: Ynt: FYI Dignity of Gynecologists (long) From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Dr._Bülent_Potur?= (bpotur@veezy.com) Tue Nov 14 22:10:58 2000 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: Robert J. Woolley: "Re: graft erosion" Previous message: Steve & Eryl Raymond: "Re: Ritodrine" Doctor Flores: You are most right on all the words of your answer. I must also appreciate and emphasize that You do have the habit not to have a pharmaceutical banner in your certificate. If you look at my first message that initiated this thread there is also another thing that I would like to repeat here. When I came back from America on the first or second week of my return I wrote an e mail to the company "Events International" It is the company to which I paid $1210 with my own citybank credit card. I told them that I was not happy to see a banner on my official certificate of attendance. They offered to reimburse I replied that only a certificate without a banner would do. Because I knew that it was not a difficult job. When I was in Washington I had lost my brief case with an umbrella and badges of mine and of my wife at Potomac Mills. A hospitable Canadian member, a young gentlemen, had helped me to recover and get newer ones of all the documents even those I had not lost within a minute at the registrations booth. Because this was a computer based program I thought the Lily Banner could be removed with ease. The Events international then replied with an e-mail that they sent a new certificate. But the Lily Logo was still there. If events international had requested initially at registration that they could not have an attendance certificate printed without the logo of Lily if I did not pay another dollar. I would have accepted to pay $1211 instead of $1210. No Mister. I can not accept any Logo even too tiny to be seen microscopically on the official certificate of attendance of an independent scientific meeting that even the ex-president of Figo is proud to say that the lecturers also paid their registration fees. I consider this as an intrusion to my self-esteem even if all the remaining 15 999 delegates think the reverse. Yours very Truly, Bulent Potur M.D. Obs&Gyn. http://abone.rt.net.tr/bpotur/emain.htm >----- Original Message ----- From: ldflores <luda@arnet.com.ar> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@mail.medispecialty.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:58 AM Subject: Re: Ynt: FYI Dignity of Gynecologists (long) >> Even if Lily pays the certificates it should not have had its logo printed on them. And I am sure that the Lily's financial contribution to FIGO 2000 meeting is hundreds of thousands ..... The important thing is the principle.>> I agree about the principle involved. This is, we prescribe drugs according to our understanding on how to improve the health of our patients, not because Lilly sponsor a certificate !. I also agree that pharmaceutical firm make too much money, at least for my taste. But you understand that any company will put money only if they products are shown somewhere, be this in a certificate or on a printing program. Otherwise we should not accept any money for any company for any congress in any place, what about this ?, I agree with Dr. Joe, there are nicer or ethical ways to show they products like ' >>'' If they really MUST have some recognition, a small running foot could say something like "printing costs for this certificate kindly provided by Eli Lilly Company" or something like that''>, but this is a matter of means not aims. >>We are educated, refined people who were taught for many long and demanding years of hard work, we were raised each of us as scientists. And humanists to help the suffering. We are also the ones who are hoped and expected to pull the people back towards this world while Azrael trying to take them away on the border>> Now, you are too apologetic about us as a doctors', the pharmaceutical firms may also say the same. We are people like any body else. No more. There are many other ways to pull the people back towards this world, we are not the only ones. May be as simple as a nice song that can do this job too. >>Medicine is not a job to make money.. the doctors are not in the mass production part of the health economy<< What do you mean medicine is not a job to make money??...How come, do you work for free???, come on !. And Of course we belong to the health economy. You want it or not. >>Do not you have the habit to have the certificates of attendance of congresses framed hung on the walls of your office in Argentina? What will your non-English speaking patients think when they see a Lily banner on the FIGO 2000 certificate of attendance?>> We do have the habit not to have a pharmaceutical banner in our certificate. I don't think our patient care about this anyway. They care about how we treat them. But please don't make this a racist issue. I don't think there are English speaking or not English speaking differences here. The principles apply regardless of the language you speak. >>If I were a Lily manager I would apologize all the 16 000 physicians who attended the meeting, and I would send all of them certificates without my company's logo.>> I would like to see you as a manager of Lilly first. There are differences between what we say and what we do under certain circumstances. Regards, Luis Flores MRCOG Next message: Robert J. Woolley: "Re: graft erosion" Previous message: Steve & Eryl Raymond: "Re: Ritodrine"

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