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Ynt: FYI Dignity of Gynecologists (long) From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Dr._Bülent_Potur?= (bpotur@veezy.com) Mon Nov 13 22:13:57 2000 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: CIX MAIL: "FYI Dignity of Gynaecologists" Previous message: John Robertson MD: "Re: Dysfunctional (Anovulatory) Bleeding in Smoker > 35" Next in thread: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: Ynt: FYI Dignity of Gynecologists (long)" Maybe reply: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: Ynt: FYI Dignity of Gynecologists (long)" Maybe reply: ldflores: "Re: Ynt: FYI Dignity of Gynecologists (long)" Excuse me Doctor Flores: Even if Lily pays the certificates it should not have had its logo printed on them. And I am sure that the Lily's financial contribution to FIGO 2000 meeting is hundreds of thousands of times more than the mere cost of those pieces of papers printed within seconds in a color printer. The important thing is the principle. If you look at the matter from a commercial stand point yes doctors are in a way the final agents or distributors of the drug industry. That is we retail their products. But We are not quacks or peddlers working with percentage. We are educated, refined people who were taught for many long and demanding years of hard work, we were raised each of us as scientists. and humanists to help the suffering. We are also the ones who are hoped and expected to pull the people back towards this world while Azrael trying to take them away on the border. Medicine is not a job to make money. Because this is not a trade or a job of mass production. At least the doctors are not in the mass production part of the health economy. Still they bear the major burden of the health care system. So I think they deserve respect . Do not you have the habit to have the certificates of attendance of congresses framed hung on the walls of your office in Argentina? What will your non-English speaking patients think when they see a Lily banner on the FIGO 2000 certificate of attendance? If I were a Lily manager I would apologize all the 16 000 physicians who attended the meeting, and I would send all of them certificates without my company's logo. Regards, Bulent Potur M.D. Obs&Gyn http://abone.rt.net.tr/bpotur/emain.htm > ----- Original Message ----- From: ldflores <luda@arnet.com.ar> To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@mail.medispecialty.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 8:09 PM Subject: Re: FYI Dignity of Gynecologists (long) Sorry Mats, the Lilly just pay the certificates and FIGO save that money, it does not means Lilly own the conference. But I understand your worries about the principle involved, but as long as FIGO dictate theyr own principles in regard the making of the scientific program I dont see any problem Luis Flores MRCOG Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Mats O. Bergstrom <mob@mbox301.swipnet.se> Para: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L <ob-gyn-l@mail.medispecialty.com> Fecha: Sunday, November 12, 2000 9:46 AM Asunto: Re: FYI Dignity of Gynecologists (long) >I think that marking a certificate of attendance to a FIGO conference >with a sponsor's logotype is 1) Showing that pharmaceutical giants >like LILY feel - not surprisingly - that they really own a conference when >they pay a large part of it. Looking at the FIGO home page gives the >impression that ELI LILY & COMPANY owns a chunk of FIGO itself but >I don't know any details. 2) Evidence of either spineless leadership or >- more likely - sloppy organizational routines in FIGO. That such a cert >usually goes to the paper bin in most of the US and Western Europe, >possibly after duty in expence accounting, is no good excuse. FIGO is >a worldwide organization and should know that practise is different, as >shown in Dr Potur's case, in other parts of the world. > >FIGO should immediately send Dr Potur a certificate without LILY's logo. >along with an apology. It could be handwritten or whatever, itīs the >principle that counts. I will be waiting for a confirmation that FIGO has >done so, on this list. OBGYN.NET is a sponsor of FIGO too, by the way. > >Mats Bergstrom, MD >Ob Gyn >South Hospital >Stockholm > Next message: CIX MAIL: "FYI Dignity of Gynaecologists" Previous message: John Robertson MD: "Re: Dysfunctional (Anovulatory) Bleeding in Smoker > 35" Next in thread: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: Ynt: FYI Dignity of Gynecologists (long)" Maybe reply: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: Ynt: FYI Dignity of Gynecologists (long)" Maybe reply: ldflores: "Re: Ynt: FYI Dignity of Gynecologists (long)"

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