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Re: men and sectionsFrom: agn (nazemi@azstarnet.com)Sun Nov 5 09:03:53 2000
To: Steve Crawford Your statements below are certainly correct. Discrimination is discrimination and should not be countenanced by health care providers. However, perhaps a little perverse pleasure at the shoe being on the other foot (that is your foot instead of mine for a change) can be understood. Gail Nazemi -----Original Message----- From: ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net [mailto:ob-gyn-l@obgyn.net]On Behalf Of Steven Crawford Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 6:17 PM To: Multiple recipients of list OB-GYN-L Subject: Re: men and sections Dr. McIntosh, Yes, I find the statement aforementioned to be "sexist, pandering, and insulting." And ignorant. I once had a patient (female) tell me that she wanted to see my female colleague because the female physician could better understand her hot flashes. "OK," I said, "she will probably understand them better than me." She is all of 28 years old! Who better to understand your hot flashes!!!!" But, we are males. And, at least in OB/GYN, males are permitted to be discriminated against. There is no use of anyone out there refuting me, as I can list many examples of job opportunity advertisements requesting only that a female OB/GYN respond to a particular job offer. Many other sexist remarks, etc., are allowed to be made against male physicians today. Now, many women have that stated that discrimination against male OB/GYN's is "justified" by saying that females have been discriminated against for years and years. My response to that is, 'does that make it legitimate, ethical and just plain "the right thing to do" since males have been the "traditional" physicians in the past?' I think not.. I furthermore feel that if women feel that way, then that is a sad statement for women. I hope that women, in general, do not feel that it is "OK" to discriminate in any way. Women, as a lobbying group, sure do openly oppose discrimination against women. Why should they "support" discrimination against men? In exploring the theory that "women desire women physicians," I find that statement naive, ridiculous and again just plain wrong. Many female patients, including colleague female physicians, have told me on many an occasion that they have experienced female physicians' pelvic exams, etc., and would never see a female physician again. Just because one is female does not mean that she is better capable of rendering female health care or that she will better understand a female's pelvic pain, etc. I have seen female physicians be very blunt and unsympathetic towards women. I have trained with several women physicians who were not empathetic. Likewise, I have trained with unsympathetic male physicians. In conclusion, I again must say that I am saddened to see that society has allowed, even encouraged, discrimination against men. I am saddened IF women do not see this as wrong. I am disenchanted with the acceptance of this practice in advertising, hiring and everyday life (i.e.. excluding males in parenting). I feel that if a group, be it women, minorities, etc., has lobbied against discrimination based on sex, race, etc., and then turn around and embrace the very practice they say they abhor, I see their group(s) as losing face and hypocritical beyond reproach. As I have stated before, a particular sex, race, etc., matters NOT when evaluating a physician's performance and effectiveness in treating patients. It matters that the physician is empathetic, sympathetic, caring, and has ONLY the welfare of the patient at hand. Discrimination against men in OB/GYN is wrong; it is heart wrenching and sickening. Discrimination against anyone is a display of a weak attempt to hold one down based on superficial qualities. I hope that someday all groups, NOT just men, will see that discriminating against another sex or race is an act of contempt, a weak display of undeserving power. Steve Crawford, MD "J. Hellriegel" wrote:
> At Fri, 3 Nov 2000, William D. McIntosh, MD wrote:
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