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Re: vacuum extraction criteria From: croure@ibm.net Wed Mar 8 20:16:46 2000 Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] Next message: john miklos: "Re: Vaginal Vault Prolapse" Previous message: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: Vaginal Vault Prolapse" In reply to: Eberhard W Lisse: "Re: vacuum extraction criteria" Next in thread: steve: "Re: vacuum extraction criteria" At Wed, 08 Mar 00, steve wrote: > > This has to be one of the silliest questions I've seen asked on this >list. So far I have been very courteous on all my posts. I plan to continue to be the same and discuss the message and not the messenger. What has age got to do with using a vacuum extractor? In the 60's and early 70's vacuum extraction was not taught in most places in the US, At least it wasn't taught nor even heard of at the Univ. Of Mich. in Ann Arbor. Some at least some of the older gynecoloists were not exposed to it during our training. Sorry about that. If you >are intelligent (that rules many out) and open minded you cannot but take the view that >all the different modalities for delivery should be available and >considered for use in every possible circumstance. After all you >are a professional in a specialty so you should know all there is to >know. WHAT???? I certainly do NOT know all there is to know. Perhaps you do, but I do NOT. o think that you can do away with a vacuum extractor >through some misguided idea that it is only for younger doctors is >plain anti-inellectual, and is the attitude that results in older >obstetricians getting a name for being stuck in the mud and fuddy- >duddy. Agree with you. > >On the other hand, I agree with the idea that *routine* use of any >technique even when not appropriate is something to be >questioned. Vaccuums have their place and forceps have their >place and the thinking specialist knows when to use one or the >other - or, more importantly, when not to use one or the other That is correct again. but nowhere did you answer the ONLY question and doubt that I had left after Dr. Ramirez posted his Cochrane library query into the matter. Please look at it and answer it if you can. It is late at night and have just returned after a hard day of work. Tomorrow night I will go to "Lucia di Lamermoor" and will not be able to read anything at the post. I again feel honored having won the trophy of "the silliest question ever posted at the forum". If it is so silly, why has so many flame replies but not ONE answer been received. In the meantime, I will continue to attempt to behave well mannered and educated and not descend to the level of personal replies and offfenses. Carlos PS (remember, tomorrow Lucia, no flame replies). BTW, what was the answer to the vacuums only question, the silliest ever in the post, flames aside????? > >SR >Dr. S.H. Raymond >Head of Department of O & G >Empangeni Hospital >EMPANGENI >South Africa 3880 >Ph. (27)+(35)7721111 >Fax (27)+(35)7922596 Next message: john miklos: "Re: Vaginal Vault Prolapse" Previous message: DoctorJoe@aol.com: "Re: Vaginal Vault Prolapse" In reply to: Eberhard W Lisse: "Re: vacuum extraction criteria" Next in thread: steve: "Re: vacuum extraction criteria"

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