Re: ULTRASOUND digest 34
From: Terry J DuBose (tjdubose@juno.com)
Tue Dec 23 16:45:25 1997
AGREED!!
Happy Holidays. Just drove 8 hours into Austin, called Roberta, she is
out busy.
5 minutes away and still using Email. Wouldn't you know it. ;-)
Peace, Terry J. DuBose
On Tue, 23 Dec 1997 07:43:20 -0600 evsono@pop.pipeline.com writes:
>wow i can't blieve this - this list is brand new and already a flame
>war!
>let's cut it out and resume discussing how we can develop our skills.
>don't
>you folks think this would be a more profitable endeavor?
>
>merry christmas.
>
>art fougner md
>evsono@pipeline.com
>
>At 07:12 PM 12/22/97 -0600, you wrote:
>> ULTRASOUND Digest 34
>>
>>Topics covered in this issue include:
>>
>> 1) Re: doctors and us
>> by KMatzke107 <KMatzke107@aol.com>
>> 2) Re: doctors and us
>> by tjdubose@juno.com (Terry J. DuBose)
>>
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>>Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:13:09 EST
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>>From: KMatzke107 <KMatzke107@aol.com>
>>To: ultrasound@obgyn.net
>>Cc: sonographers-connection@lists.uchsc.edu
>>Subject: Re: doctors and us
>>Message-ID: <b4554407.349de8d8@aol.com>
>>
>>Dear Ellison,
>>Dear Frank,
>>
>>I would like to correct Ellison in that she told you to keep up the
>good work.
>>We only have your word that you do good work. I would correct it to
>hopefully
>>keeep up the good work. I have known many Doctors who claim to do
>good work
>>until a qualified sonographer observes them work or we would review
>their
>>films and studies.
>>
>>Pardon me if I seem overly critical. The problem I have is that a
>practicing
>>physician could not get the experience of a full time sonographer who
>does
>>nothing but technical component of ultrasound.
>>I have worked with physicians who have done fellowships in sonography
>and
>>can't do the technical work of the "qualified" sonographers who I
>work with.
>>Ultrasound is a technically dependent field and the more cases you do
>the
>>better you get.
>>
>>A couple of questions Frank. Would you let a cardiologist do your
>>cholecystectomy? Would you let a radiologist deliver your baby? Well
>I would
>>not let a physician do my ultrasound. One such fertility specialist
>did an
>>ultrasound on my wife. After I repeated the ultrasound the surgeon
>had to
>>alter the approach to my wifes surgery the night before she had it.
>Guess who
>>made the correct diagnosis. It wasn't the doc.
>>
>>One more question Frank. You never did say which equipment you
>recommended
>>or bought for yourself.
>>
>>Dave.
>>
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>>Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:19:18 -0600
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>>From: tjdubose@juno.com (Terry J. DuBose)
>>To: ultrasound@obgyn.net
>>Cc: ultrasound@talk.obgyn.net
>>Subject: Re: doctors and us
>>Message-ID: <19971222.081920.11510.5.tjdubose@juno.com>
>>
>>Dave, are you saying that just because a person is a physician that
>it is
>>impossible for them to be good at sonography? Your message sounds
>like
>>that. You are painting with a rather too broad a brush. That is a
>bit
>>over the line. I know some very good sonologists.
>>
>>Ellison's comment was that there are both physicians and
>non-physicians
>>who are good at sonography as well as those who are not so good.
>>(Ellison, by the way is not a she, not that it makes any real
>>difference.)
>>
>>I hope we can keep the topic on OBGYN Sonography. I realize that
>legal
>>and socioeconomic issues are often a part of that I think we do not
>need
>>prejudicial, inflammatory personal attacks. Let's first assume that
>we
>>are all here in the interest of good sonography and women's health,
>>either with experience or those wanting to gain experience, but all
>>wanting to learn.
>>
>>Obviously you have had some bad experiences, but please do not judge
>all
>>people by those you may have worked with.
>>
>>Peace, Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS
>>Chair, Ultrasound@OBGYN.net
>>
>>On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:36:24 -0600 KMatzke107 <KMatzke107@aol.com>
>>writes:
>>>Dear Ellison,
>>>Dear Frank,
>>>
>>>I would like to correct Ellison in that she told you to keep up the
>>>good work.
>><snip>.
>>>I have known many Doctors who claim to do good work
>>>until a qualified sonographer observes them work or
>>> we would review their films and studies.
>>>
>>>Pardon me if I seem overly critical. The problem I have is that a
>>>practicing physician could not get the experience of a full time
>>>sonographer who does nothing but technical
>>>component of ultrasound.
>>>I have worked with physicians who have done
>>>fellowships in sonography and
>>>can't do the technical work of the "qualified"
>>>sonographers who I work with.
>><snip>
>>>Dave.
>>>
>>
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>>End of ULTRASOUND Digest 34
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