Re: ULTRASOUND digest 34
From: evsono@pop.pipeline.com
Tue Dec 23 06:42:37 1997
wow i can't blieve this - this list is brand new and already a flame war!
let's cut it out and resume discussing how we can develop our skills. don't
you folks think this would be a more profitable endeavor?
merry christmas.
art fougner md
evsono@pipeline.com
At 07:12 PM 12/22/97 -0600, you wrote:
> ULTRASOUND Digest 34
>
>Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Re: doctors and us
> by KMatzke107 <KMatzke107@aol.com>
> 2) Re: doctors and us
> by tjdubose@juno.com (Terry J. DuBose)
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>Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:13:09 EST
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>From: KMatzke107 <KMatzke107@aol.com>
>To: ultrasound@obgyn.net
>Cc: sonographers-connection@lists.uchsc.edu
>Subject: Re: doctors and us
>Message-ID: <b4554407.349de8d8@aol.com>
>
>Dear Ellison,
>Dear Frank,
>
>I would like to correct Ellison in that she told you to keep up the good work.
>We only have your word that you do good work. I would correct it to hopefully
>keeep up the good work. I have known many Doctors who claim to do good work
>until a qualified sonographer observes them work or we would review their
>films and studies.
>
>Pardon me if I seem overly critical. The problem I have is that a practicing
>physician could not get the experience of a full time sonographer who does
>nothing but technical component of ultrasound.
>I have worked with physicians who have done fellowships in sonography and
>can't do the technical work of the "qualified" sonographers who I work with.
>Ultrasound is a technically dependent field and the more cases you do the
>better you get.
>
>A couple of questions Frank. Would you let a cardiologist do your
>cholecystectomy? Would you let a radiologist deliver your baby? Well I would
>not let a physician do my ultrasound. One such fertility specialist did an
>ultrasound on my wife. After I repeated the ultrasound the surgeon had to
>alter the approach to my wifes surgery the night before she had it. Guess who
>made the correct diagnosis. It wasn't the doc.
>
>One more question Frank. You never did say which equipment you recommended
>or bought for yourself.
>
>Dave.
>
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>Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:19:18 -0600
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>From: tjdubose@juno.com (Terry J. DuBose)
>To: ultrasound@obgyn.net
>Cc: ultrasound@talk.obgyn.net
>Subject: Re: doctors and us
>Message-ID: <19971222.081920.11510.5.tjdubose@juno.com>
>
>Dave, are you saying that just because a person is a physician that it is
>impossible for them to be good at sonography? Your message sounds like
>that. You are painting with a rather too broad a brush. That is a bit
>over the line. I know some very good sonologists.
>
>Ellison's comment was that there are both physicians and non-physicians
>who are good at sonography as well as those who are not so good.
>(Ellison, by the way is not a she, not that it makes any real
>difference.)
>
>I hope we can keep the topic on OBGYN Sonography. I realize that legal
>and socioeconomic issues are often a part of that I think we do not need
>prejudicial, inflammatory personal attacks. Let's first assume that we
>are all here in the interest of good sonography and women's health,
>either with experience or those wanting to gain experience, but all
>wanting to learn.
>
>Obviously you have had some bad experiences, but please do not judge all
>people by those you may have worked with.
>
>Peace, Terry J. DuBose, M.S., RDMS
>Chair, Ultrasound@OBGYN.net
>
>On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:36:24 -0600 KMatzke107 <KMatzke107@aol.com>
>writes:
>>Dear Ellison,
>>Dear Frank,
>>
>>I would like to correct Ellison in that she told you to keep up the
>>good work.
><snip>.
>>I have known many Doctors who claim to do good work
>>until a qualified sonographer observes them work or
>> we would review their films and studies.
>>
>>Pardon me if I seem overly critical. The problem I have is that a
>>practicing physician could not get the experience of a full time
>>sonographer who does nothing but technical
>>component of ultrasound.
>>I have worked with physicians who have done
>>fellowships in sonography and
>>can't do the technical work of the "qualified"
>>sonographers who I work with.
><snip>
>>Dave.
>>
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